1 00:00:08,059 --> 00:00:04,690 [Music] 2 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:08,069 this another episode you love over rock 3 00:00:14,629 --> 00:00:11,010 Bipin I'm Joe this is where we talk 4 00:00:19,450 --> 00:00:14,639 about you weird 5 00:00:23,240 --> 00:00:19,460 oh yeah dude virtual virtual podcast bro 6 00:00:25,939 --> 00:00:23,250 dude we're doing the the coronavirus 7 00:00:27,170 --> 00:00:25,949 version yeah man how you holding up 8 00:00:28,970 --> 00:00:27,180 there yeah I didn't I didn't realise 9 00:00:33,020 --> 00:00:28,980 that painting or that photo behind you 10 00:00:36,229 --> 00:00:33,030 is that new no that uh it's a picture of 11 00:00:38,090 --> 00:00:36,239 me i yeah I know I I know the I 12 00:00:39,590 --> 00:00:38,100 recognized the photo I didn't know if 13 00:00:43,850 --> 00:00:39,600 that was new or not I haven't seen that 14 00:00:46,549 --> 00:00:43,860 before on your on your wall that's Sam 15 00:00:49,729 --> 00:00:46,559 that's sick was that the mutton-chop 16 00:00:54,740 --> 00:00:49,739 days those are the mutton-chop days dude 17 00:00:57,020 --> 00:00:54,750 yeah let's see you know and there's the 18 00:00:59,750 --> 00:00:57,030 the handsome version of me in the 19 00:01:04,640 --> 00:00:59,760 background of that photo to you oh yeah 20 00:01:06,260 --> 00:01:04,650 oh yeah right right hilarious 21 00:01:08,810 --> 00:01:06,270 that's what I couldn't I couldn't grow a 22 00:01:14,210 --> 00:01:08,820 mustache that's I must have been about 23 00:01:17,060 --> 00:01:14,220 20 21 I think so man I think that video 24 00:01:19,100 --> 00:01:17,070 was taken or that picture was taken at 25 00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:19,110 the apartment complex yeah they gave me 26 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:20,970 their Spring Break of primary complex 27 00:01:28,399 --> 00:01:25,490 yeah we didn't Taylor Greer take that I 28 00:01:29,660 --> 00:01:28,409 think so I think they out of the photos 29 00:01:34,010 --> 00:01:29,670 that she took when she came to one of 30 00:01:36,050 --> 00:01:34,020 our shows yeah yeah yeah dude oh yeah oh 31 00:01:40,609 --> 00:01:36,060 yeah man so we're gonna kind of keep it 32 00:01:43,010 --> 00:01:40,619 a short intro today till we can get back 33 00:01:46,510 --> 00:01:43,020 to doing the real thing you know but 34 00:01:48,740 --> 00:01:46,520 today we have Lisa O'Hara with us and 35 00:01:53,410 --> 00:01:48,750 she's gonna be talking about her 36 00:01:57,109 --> 00:01:53,420 experiences and she wrote a book called 37 00:01:59,300 --> 00:01:57,119 abducted and furious so she sent us a 38 00:01:59,630 --> 00:01:59,310 couple coffees and I'm pretty excited to 39 00:02:01,550 --> 00:01:59,640 read it 40 00:02:04,100 --> 00:02:01,560 well yeah dude I mean if you want let's 41 00:02:05,870 --> 00:02:04,110 go ahead and get into this yeah all 42 00:02:09,249 --> 00:02:05,880 right all right ladies and gentlemen 43 00:02:11,869 --> 00:02:09,259 we're joined here today with Lisa O'Hara 44 00:02:14,780 --> 00:02:11,879 and she's the author of the book 45 00:02:17,030 --> 00:02:14,790 abducted in its fury 46 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:17,040 and so she's just somebody who reached 47 00:02:22,010 --> 00:02:20,250 out to us who emailed us and she was 48 00:02:23,750 --> 00:02:22,020 telling us a little bit about her book 49 00:02:26,390 --> 00:02:23,760 and whatnot and she sent us a couple 50 00:02:30,170 --> 00:02:26,400 copies unfortunately though with this 51 00:02:32,450 --> 00:02:30,180 virus thing being so crazy you know 52 00:02:34,100 --> 00:02:32,460 priority mailing is a thing so so they 53 00:02:35,990 --> 00:02:34,110 probably won't be here too a little bit 54 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:36,000 later so unfortunately haven't had a 55 00:02:40,940 --> 00:02:38,610 chance to read the book but on the flip 56 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:40,950 side of that bin dude I mean we're gonna 57 00:02:46,310 --> 00:02:43,050 get in like a fresh take on this entire 58 00:02:49,100 --> 00:02:46,320 story so we're excited to hear about it 59 00:02:51,020 --> 00:02:49,110 Ben I know you're pretty excited too 60 00:02:53,330 --> 00:02:51,030 so Lisa if you don't mind going ahead 61 00:02:56,900 --> 00:02:53,340 and introduce yourself to everybody and 62 00:03:00,500 --> 00:02:56,910 let me know what you're about okay well 63 00:03:03,620 --> 00:03:00,510 I'm just an average person who have ety 64 00:03:06,740 --> 00:03:03,630 experiences I lived in California for 65 00:03:08,330 --> 00:03:06,750 approximately 30 years and I have two 66 00:03:15,170 --> 00:03:08,340 Maine [\h__\h] cats and I moved to Arizona 67 00:03:16,250 --> 00:03:15,180 in 2011 and that's about it all right 68 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:16,260 awesome 69 00:03:21,470 --> 00:03:19,170 well sweet yeah so what's uh how about 70 00:03:24,050 --> 00:03:21,480 maybe start from the beginning with your 71 00:03:26,090 --> 00:03:24,060 story did this is this something that 72 00:03:29,060 --> 00:03:26,100 recently happened to you or have you had 73 00:03:31,940 --> 00:03:29,070 contact the kind of your whole life or 74 00:03:34,010 --> 00:03:31,950 is this like a recent it's hard to know 75 00:03:35,990 --> 00:03:34,020 but I do think I've had contact my whole 76 00:03:37,460 --> 00:03:36,000 life it's just that there were little 77 00:03:41,930 --> 00:03:37,470 things happening to me when I was 78 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:41,940 younger and also around 2012 I started 79 00:03:46,100 --> 00:03:44,010 you know more and more things started 80 00:03:48,380 --> 00:03:46,110 happening to me like a spirit started 81 00:03:51,650 --> 00:03:48,390 talking to me and I was told that I was 82 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:51,660 a psychic medium and so I didn't really 83 00:03:56,630 --> 00:03:54,690 know what that meant and I had to you 84 00:03:59,300 --> 00:03:56,640 know try to figure it out and find 85 00:04:00,890 --> 00:03:59,310 somebody to mentor me because you know 86 00:04:02,750 --> 00:04:00,900 when you're dealing with spirits they're 87 00:04:05,180 --> 00:04:02,760 extremely I mean there are some nice 88 00:04:07,790 --> 00:04:05,190 ones but there are some bad ones and 89 00:04:10,430 --> 00:04:07,800 when you connect with them 90 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:10,440 you're supposed to connect to their 91 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:12,090 vibration you have to be at the same 92 00:04:16,820 --> 00:04:14,850 level so it's sort of like an elevator 93 00:04:19,310 --> 00:04:16,830 if my elevator is a little bit higher 94 00:04:21,650 --> 00:04:19,320 than yours then you can't connect to me 95 00:04:24,350 --> 00:04:21,660 so if the two elevators are at the same 96 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:24,360 floor then they can connect but you 97 00:04:27,590 --> 00:04:26,130 don't know what else is coming through 98 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:27,600 at the same time 99 00:04:32,090 --> 00:04:29,130 there's a lot of protections in place 100 00:04:34,100 --> 00:04:32,100 when you actually become a medium so I 101 00:04:36,500 --> 00:04:34,110 pursued that for a little while but 102 00:04:38,660 --> 00:04:36,510 decided that wasn't really what I wanted 103 00:04:40,250 --> 00:04:38,670 to do it's pretty laborious and it's 104 00:04:42,650 --> 00:04:40,260 really it's really a lot harder than it 105 00:04:46,310 --> 00:04:42,660 seems yeah 106 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:46,320 so at that point the medium was trying 107 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:48,450 to help me figure out what to do I was 108 00:04:55,340 --> 00:04:53,250 doing meditation and the woman started 109 00:04:57,530 --> 00:04:55,350 trying to help me figure out what was 110 00:04:59,510 --> 00:04:57,540 going on at night because I would have 111 00:05:02,870 --> 00:04:59,520 these really wild dreams and I wouldn't 112 00:05:05,530 --> 00:05:02,880 know what to do just scary things would 113 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:05,540 happen I'd wake up I'd be sleepwalking 114 00:05:10,060 --> 00:05:08,610 just stuff like that don't even seem 115 00:05:14,300 --> 00:05:10,070 strange at all 116 00:05:15,710 --> 00:05:14,310 but strange enough and then I since I 117 00:05:18,110 --> 00:05:15,720 was meditating I was talking to my 118 00:05:20,660 --> 00:05:18,120 spirit guides a lot and I was also I 119 00:05:22,130 --> 00:05:20,670 gots raising my vibration and when you 120 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:22,140 raise your vibration you start feeling 121 00:05:26,930 --> 00:05:24,210 more things you start seeing more things 122 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:26,940 the more you see the more you feel the 123 00:05:33,890 --> 00:05:31,290 more you see the more you feel so at 124 00:05:36,050 --> 00:05:33,900 that point I felt something in my room 125 00:05:38,330 --> 00:05:36,060 one night and I asked my spirit guides 126 00:05:40,610 --> 00:05:38,340 what is that what is that negative 127 00:05:47,150 --> 00:05:40,620 feeling and they said oh that's et's 128 00:05:50,090 --> 00:05:47,160 they've come to take you oh no oh no so 129 00:05:53,330 --> 00:05:50,100 that was about 2017 so that's when I 130 00:05:56,030 --> 00:05:53,340 started my journey as like you know I do 131 00:05:57,590 --> 00:05:56,040 not want to be in this position first I 132 00:06:00,230 --> 00:05:57,600 was scared and then I was really mad 133 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:00,240 because what yeah who do you think you 134 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:05,490 are taking me right right oh that's what 135 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:08,010 started it all yeah you know I always 136 00:06:15,590 --> 00:06:12,450 think like how violating that must feel 137 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:15,600 and terrifying Joe and I always talk 138 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:17,010 about like the possibility or 139 00:06:21,290 --> 00:06:19,170 hypothetically what we would do and I 140 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:21,300 mean we would definitely be terrified 141 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:24,570 but definitely pissed if if it went yeah 142 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:27,450 in a bad way you know sometimes you hear 143 00:06:31,190 --> 00:06:29,970 of contact experiences that went really 144 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:31,200 well 145 00:06:35,630 --> 00:06:32,730 and then sometimes it's a really 146 00:06:37,730 --> 00:06:35,640 pleasant experience and sometimes it's 147 00:06:39,860 --> 00:06:37,740 it's a really negative one that the the 148 00:06:41,230 --> 00:06:39,870 I guess the truth is that there's not 149 00:06:43,420 --> 00:06:41,240 just one type of 150 00:06:46,930 --> 00:06:43,430 see out there taking people and that's 151 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:46,940 what we kind of put together and yeah it 152 00:06:52,540 --> 00:06:48,770 sounds like maybe you had a rent a 153 00:06:54,909 --> 00:06:52,550 run-in with a negative experience I've 154 00:06:58,689 --> 00:06:54,919 had many negative experiences and that's 155 00:07:00,550 --> 00:06:58,699 what I've determined is that for me it's 156 00:07:03,460 --> 00:07:00,560 a very negative experience and 157 00:07:06,309 --> 00:07:03,470 horrifying and terrifying actually right 158 00:07:08,170 --> 00:07:06,319 and so it's the thought of you know not 159 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:08,180 and then not knowing what went on 160 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:10,370 because your memories erased what are 161 00:07:15,490 --> 00:07:13,250 they really doing yeah why can't they 162 00:07:20,279 --> 00:07:15,500 tell you what it is they're doing right 163 00:07:24,159 --> 00:07:20,289 so do you do you have vivid vivid 164 00:07:27,159 --> 00:07:24,169 memories of of the this particular night 165 00:07:29,230 --> 00:07:27,169 that or did you did were you taken that 166 00:07:31,540 --> 00:07:29,240 night or is it kind of like erased from 167 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:31,550 your room yeah okay so I was taking that 168 00:07:36,279 --> 00:07:34,610 night in my book I talk about certain 169 00:07:39,159 --> 00:07:36,289 tools that you can use to actually go 170 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:39,169 back inside your memory of what they've 171 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:43,130 erased and so you know some people talk 172 00:07:46,450 --> 00:07:44,930 about hypnotic regression or whatever 173 00:07:48,010 --> 00:07:46,460 it's sort of like that except that 174 00:07:51,270 --> 00:07:48,020 you're exploring your own mind you're 175 00:07:53,469 --> 00:07:51,280 going backwards into your own mind and 176 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:53,479 because of that then you could see the 177 00:07:58,600 --> 00:07:56,090 truth as opposed to what your dreams 178 00:08:01,270 --> 00:07:58,610 telling it like for instance if you have 179 00:08:02,709 --> 00:08:01,280 a dream for instance like you lost your 180 00:08:04,719 --> 00:08:02,719 wallet this is a common thing people 181 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:04,729 lost their wallet or they're walking 182 00:08:08,350 --> 00:08:06,530 around naked you know and they're 183 00:08:10,719 --> 00:08:08,360 wondering if anyone else notices that 184 00:08:13,899 --> 00:08:10,729 they're naked but you can also feel that 185 00:08:16,659 --> 00:08:13,909 kind of stressful feeling so that means 186 00:08:19,059 --> 00:08:16,669 that your but your mind was trying to 187 00:08:23,290 --> 00:08:19,069 come up with something that was common 188 00:08:25,870 --> 00:08:23,300 to you to give you but the feeling is of 189 00:08:29,620 --> 00:08:25,880 stress so behind that what's behind that 190 00:08:31,450 --> 00:08:29,630 oh wow okay like the the dreams that you 191 00:08:33,819 --> 00:08:31,460 have when your teeth are falling out 192 00:08:36,250 --> 00:08:33,829 maybe that's often something that's 193 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:36,260 that's tied to stress or the feeling of 194 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:39,770 out of control yeah what do your dreams 195 00:08:44,740 --> 00:08:41,770 feel like instead of trying to determine 196 00:08:47,380 --> 00:08:44,750 are this is this dream everything is my 197 00:08:49,810 --> 00:08:47,390 self or bicycle means this or whatever 198 00:08:52,780 --> 00:08:49,820 maybe you should look at how it feels 199 00:08:55,150 --> 00:08:52,790 and then look behind the dream Wow 200 00:08:57,009 --> 00:08:55,160 because that might be something 201 00:08:58,660 --> 00:08:57,019 that you want to look at because if you 202 00:09:00,189 --> 00:08:58,670 do you might find something you don't 203 00:09:02,019 --> 00:09:00,199 like now some people are going to be too 204 00:09:04,780 --> 00:09:02,029 scared to do that and I understand it's 205 00:09:08,530 --> 00:09:04,790 a scary thing but if you get angry 206 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:08,540 instead you can you know start 207 00:09:15,220 --> 00:09:11,810 eliminating these entities and that's 208 00:09:17,710 --> 00:09:15,230 why I started doing huh Wow yeah like uh 209 00:09:20,410 --> 00:09:17,720 like Lauren Lauren she says you know 210 00:09:22,179 --> 00:09:20,420 what I know some stuff has probably 211 00:09:24,670 --> 00:09:22,189 happened and people asked me to get 212 00:09:28,139 --> 00:09:24,680 regressed all the time but I just don't 213 00:09:31,780 --> 00:09:28,149 even want to know right 214 00:09:33,550 --> 00:09:31,790 yeah that's true i I've definitely kind 215 00:09:36,249 --> 00:09:33,560 of sidon that thing I definitely have 216 00:09:38,050 --> 00:09:36,259 some weird dreams but I don't know I 217 00:09:44,079 --> 00:09:38,060 don't think I want to know if stuff's 218 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:44,089 going on but yeah so maybe talk a little 219 00:09:48,879 --> 00:09:46,490 bit about Lisa 220 00:09:52,540 --> 00:09:48,889 maybe so your first experience that you 221 00:09:54,309 --> 00:09:52,550 you definitely you know that remember 222 00:09:56,980 --> 00:09:54,319 exactly what happened to you maybe if 223 00:09:59,259 --> 00:09:56,990 you would like to share that sure sure 224 00:10:00,759 --> 00:09:59,269 yeah actually after this happened I 225 00:10:03,579 --> 00:10:00,769 can't after this particular thing 226 00:10:05,889 --> 00:10:03,589 happened I contacted MUFON because 227 00:10:08,530 --> 00:10:05,899 that's you know I didn't know where else 228 00:10:10,870 --> 00:10:08,540 to go and who else do you contact about 229 00:10:14,439 --> 00:10:10,880 this kind of thing you know and I told 230 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:14,449 this to her but so and it's in my book 231 00:10:20,439 --> 00:10:18,050 also so there was a point where I was 232 00:10:23,470 --> 00:10:20,449 moving around my recycle bin in Arizona 233 00:10:25,150 --> 00:10:23,480 there's huge blue bins and they're sharp 234 00:10:27,519 --> 00:10:25,160 you know on the edges because it's 235 00:10:30,550 --> 00:10:27,529 plastic and I was moving around a bend 236 00:10:37,269 --> 00:10:30,560 and I was walking backwards and I fell 237 00:10:39,970 --> 00:10:37,279 and I cut my meat and so I that day that 238 00:10:41,799 --> 00:10:39,980 night it starts throbbing like crazy so 239 00:10:44,139 --> 00:10:41,809 I couldn't figure out why but all of a 240 00:10:47,379 --> 00:10:44,149 sudden next to my bed was a big 241 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:47,389 grasshopper a big greenish brown 242 00:10:53,230 --> 00:10:50,410 grasshopper saying to me telepathically 243 00:10:58,119 --> 00:10:53,240 come up to worship please let me fix 244 00:11:01,299 --> 00:10:58,129 your needs Wow oh my my knee was calling 245 00:11:06,030 --> 00:11:01,309 to her my knee was beaconing to her what 246 00:11:08,970 --> 00:11:06,040 saying this is a damaged implant and 247 00:11:11,879 --> 00:11:08,980 please you know let us please 248 00:11:14,490 --> 00:11:11,889 let us come take you to the ship I don't 249 00:11:16,560 --> 00:11:14,500 know if they thought I thought that they 250 00:11:19,470 --> 00:11:16,570 needed to get my permission or what but 251 00:11:23,069 --> 00:11:19,480 I was like no if not giving you 252 00:11:25,019 --> 00:11:23,079 permission I'm gonna take ship because 253 00:11:26,730 --> 00:11:25,029 but the funny thing was and this is 254 00:11:29,460 --> 00:11:26,740 common in to a lot of people who are 255 00:11:31,980 --> 00:11:29,470 visited by ETS is that you're just so 256 00:11:34,829 --> 00:11:31,990 you cannot look stop looking at them 257 00:11:37,730 --> 00:11:34,839 because it is just so fascinating 258 00:11:40,439 --> 00:11:37,740 horrifying surreal I mean you are just 259 00:11:42,750 --> 00:11:40,449 transfixed you cannot even move I mean 260 00:11:44,370 --> 00:11:42,760 it's not because you're paralyzed 261 00:11:46,699 --> 00:11:44,380 you just cannot believe what you're 262 00:11:49,470 --> 00:11:46,709 actually seeing next to your bed right 263 00:11:51,780 --> 00:11:49,480 so what you do is you just aren't 264 00:11:53,490 --> 00:11:51,790 staring at them you know trying to 265 00:11:55,199 --> 00:11:53,500 remember everything but you're not 266 00:11:58,500 --> 00:11:55,209 moving you're not running away you know 267 00:12:01,740 --> 00:11:58,510 kick them you know what I mean yes I are 268 00:12:03,930 --> 00:12:01,750 stuck net I definitely I I sympathize 269 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:03,940 with that because I don't think I could 270 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:06,850 look away if I saw a creature that's not 271 00:12:10,470 --> 00:12:07,690 human 272 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:10,480 talking intelligently I don't think I 273 00:12:13,470 --> 00:12:12,010 could look away that the fact that you 274 00:12:14,990 --> 00:12:13,480 described it as a grasshopper I'm 275 00:12:17,879 --> 00:12:15,000 wondering we've heard stories of 276 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:17,889 sometimes they can project or leave 277 00:12:23,490 --> 00:12:20,410 stuff in your memory that oh okay it was 278 00:12:24,629 --> 00:12:23,500 actually an owl or or something else is 279 00:12:26,220 --> 00:12:24,639 that kind of similar to what you're 280 00:12:27,809 --> 00:12:26,230 saying or are you saying that this 281 00:12:30,389 --> 00:12:27,819 creature didn't have like a bug like 282 00:12:32,579 --> 00:12:30,399 appearance I'm going to say that at that 283 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:32,589 time I believed it to be a grasshopper 284 00:12:38,850 --> 00:12:34,569 eight looked exactly like a grasshopper 285 00:12:42,059 --> 00:12:38,860 and right now and later I'd seen preying 286 00:12:44,519 --> 00:12:42,069 mantises and they looked exactly like 287 00:12:47,550 --> 00:12:44,529 preying mantises to me it was just one 288 00:12:49,139 --> 00:12:47,560 of those things this the second time it 289 00:12:51,870 --> 00:12:49,149 happened I can't remember exactly all 290 00:12:54,150 --> 00:12:51,880 the details right now as they came by 291 00:12:58,410 --> 00:12:54,160 and they pointed at me and I fell asleep 292 00:13:00,059 --> 00:12:58,420 and that was scary you know but prior to 293 00:13:02,009 --> 00:13:00,069 that kind they kind of used some sort of 294 00:13:04,620 --> 00:13:02,019 spoon or tuning fork and then whack me 295 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:04,630 on my genitals oh and it was just weird 296 00:13:10,319 --> 00:13:06,490 because but you know what it means so 297 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:10,329 like I'm laying there just cannot even 298 00:13:16,290 --> 00:13:12,490 believe it and then you know that I 299 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:16,300 point at me and I fall asleep so Wow so 300 00:13:22,500 --> 00:13:19,689 they have some kind of telepathic way of 301 00:13:24,270 --> 00:13:22,510 just pointing at you and you can fall 302 00:13:28,290 --> 00:13:24,280 sleep or some kind of frequency that 303 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:28,300 just put your mind yes out that's 304 00:13:33,150 --> 00:13:30,730 interesting so you've seen like these 305 00:13:35,850 --> 00:13:33,160 these little grasshoppers and the mantis 306 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:35,860 and stuff like that I mean could you 307 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:38,650 recall how many different varieties of 308 00:13:44,190 --> 00:13:40,330 these things that you've seen or does 309 00:13:46,710 --> 00:13:44,200 this seem to be by the same group there 310 00:13:49,110 --> 00:13:46,720 seems to be well initially there seemed 311 00:13:50,820 --> 00:13:49,120 to be a lot more groups and you know for 312 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:50,830 instance I would have this one I had 313 00:13:55,620 --> 00:13:52,090 this one dream and it's in the book too 314 00:13:57,510 --> 00:13:55,630 that my foot my right foot had I saw 315 00:13:59,520 --> 00:13:57,520 this very long fingernail a lot of times 316 00:14:02,100 --> 00:13:59,530 you just see like snippets you don't see 317 00:14:04,410 --> 00:14:02,110 whole scenes or anything so you'll see a 318 00:14:08,340 --> 00:14:04,420 snippet of like a very long fingernail 319 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:08,350 cutting a hole into your foot and the 320 00:14:12,660 --> 00:14:11,170 next day I actually had a you know you 321 00:14:14,340 --> 00:14:12,670 know how you'll get like a blister on 322 00:14:16,860 --> 00:14:14,350 your foot and the skin will puff up 323 00:14:18,630 --> 00:14:16,870 that's exactly what I had on my foot it 324 00:14:19,230 --> 00:14:18,640 was the weirdest thing but the skin was 325 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:19,240 gone 326 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:23,650 and I didn't take it off and so you're 327 00:14:28,050 --> 00:14:26,050 wondering what the heck you know I mean 328 00:14:29,730 --> 00:14:28,060 are these things that are actually 329 00:14:31,770 --> 00:14:29,740 happening I mean there's evidence but 330 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:31,780 it's not really evidence because if you 331 00:14:35,730 --> 00:14:34,330 tell someone about it oh you probably 332 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:35,740 got a blister there and you didn't 333 00:14:40,260 --> 00:14:37,690 remember it or you know what I mean 334 00:14:42,750 --> 00:14:40,270 there's a logical explanation but to 335 00:14:44,340 --> 00:14:42,760 have a dream about a whole you know a 336 00:14:46,890 --> 00:14:44,350 piece of skin being taken off your foot 337 00:14:49,470 --> 00:14:46,900 and the next day finding that area and 338 00:14:51,990 --> 00:14:49,480 the way you dreamed it right it's just 339 00:14:54,930 --> 00:14:52,000 like what the you know what the heck is 340 00:14:58,230 --> 00:14:54,940 really going on you know I guess I'm 341 00:15:00,060 --> 00:14:58,240 kind of extra curious besides being so 342 00:15:02,730 --> 00:15:00,070 angry I was just like what is this 343 00:15:05,430 --> 00:15:02,740 really about I mean what are the FBI 344 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:05,440 after I'm an older woman I'm not that 345 00:15:14,340 --> 00:15:11,890 interesting seriously duh 346 00:15:19,590 --> 00:15:14,350 does anybody else in your family have 347 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:19,600 any history of strange encounters or you 348 00:15:27,390 --> 00:15:22,810 know being a psychic maybe um actually 349 00:15:31,020 --> 00:15:27,400 apparently my grandmother my mother's 350 00:15:34,110 --> 00:15:31,030 mother had a dream but where she was 351 00:15:35,310 --> 00:15:34,120 trying to cross a river and still 352 00:15:36,510 --> 00:15:35,320 whenever she was worried about something 353 00:15:37,710 --> 00:15:36,520 if she had the dream 354 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:37,720 she crossed the river that meant 355 00:15:41,310 --> 00:15:39,250 everything was going to be okay and she 356 00:15:43,020 --> 00:15:41,320 had the dream that she didn't couldn't 357 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:43,030 cross the river that meant that nothing 358 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:47,050 was going to be okay huh but I asked my 359 00:15:50,850 --> 00:15:48,850 mother before she passed away and she 360 00:15:54,180 --> 00:15:50,860 said no she'd never had anything like 361 00:15:58,110 --> 00:15:54,190 that but interestingly one of my sisters 362 00:15:59,820 --> 00:15:58,120 that I hang out with she and I were 363 00:16:02,550 --> 00:15:59,830 together it's pretty strange we have 364 00:16:05,100 --> 00:16:02,560 very unusual experiences where I'll 365 00:16:06,390 --> 00:16:05,110 sleepwalk she'll touch me in the middle 366 00:16:08,970 --> 00:16:06,400 of the night saying you don't have to go 367 00:16:12,090 --> 00:16:08,980 you don't have to go just stuff like 368 00:16:14,220 --> 00:16:12,100 that where when she stays at my house 369 00:16:16,980 --> 00:16:14,230 and I'm not I'm a night owl she's an 370 00:16:18,390 --> 00:16:16,990 early bird she'll wake up when she wakes 371 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:18,400 up it's really bizarre 372 00:16:21,180 --> 00:16:19,690 I mean they're just there's some 373 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:21,190 connection there but I don't know what 374 00:16:29,490 --> 00:16:26,650 it is so yeah Wow Wow okay so maybe some 375 00:16:31,830 --> 00:16:29,500 connection there with you said your 376 00:16:36,660 --> 00:16:31,840 sister was in the dream with you and and 377 00:16:38,940 --> 00:16:36,670 is that I hear that right that she no we 378 00:16:40,620 --> 00:16:38,950 were I was staying over at her house and 379 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:40,630 she has a lumpy couch so I was sleeping 380 00:16:47,730 --> 00:16:44,170 next to her in a queen-size bed and when 381 00:16:49,770 --> 00:16:47,740 I I was I don't remember exactly what 382 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:49,780 was happening but she she had her hand 383 00:16:52,380 --> 00:16:51,130 on my knee and it was patting it and 384 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:52,390 saying you don't have to go you don't 385 00:16:59,700 --> 00:16:57,250 have to go Wow Wow so I know when I did 386 00:17:00,930 --> 00:16:59,710 a remote view of that which is in my 387 00:17:04,410 --> 00:17:00,940 book wow you're kind of looking 388 00:17:08,790 --> 00:17:04,420 backwards it had some sort of unusual 389 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:08,800 peanut shaped head CT Wow 390 00:17:13,350 --> 00:17:11,410 a peanut shaped head et okay yeah I'm 391 00:17:15,120 --> 00:17:13,360 really interested in the description of 392 00:17:19,910 --> 00:17:15,130 the it sounds like you've seen multiple 393 00:17:22,410 --> 00:17:19,920 different species oh yeah yeah I have so 394 00:17:25,500 --> 00:17:22,420 yeah I'm like really interesting that 395 00:17:29,460 --> 00:17:25,510 that what know what to you what was the 396 00:17:31,380 --> 00:17:29,470 most I guess different looking you know 397 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:31,390 I'm interested in and there's definitely 398 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:34,810 the humanoid archetype with the head and 399 00:17:40,350 --> 00:17:37,090 two arms and two legs is that kind of 400 00:17:44,370 --> 00:17:40,360 the extent of these of these creatures 401 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:44,380 or do you know what the human creature 402 00:17:49,980 --> 00:17:47,170 is pretty you know it seems to be pretty 403 00:17:50,430 --> 00:17:49,990 involved in this too so it's not just 404 00:17:55,290 --> 00:17:50,440 each 405 00:17:59,160 --> 00:17:55,300 it seems like there is some collusion 406 00:18:02,610 --> 00:17:59,170 with humans but there seems to be a lot 407 00:18:05,550 --> 00:18:02,620 of experimentation and one thing I saw 408 00:18:09,060 --> 00:18:05,560 like a cat with with it looked like a 409 00:18:12,690 --> 00:18:09,070 half-breed cat spider and I've seen 410 00:18:15,270 --> 00:18:12,700 people with spiders with human heads and 411 00:18:18,060 --> 00:18:15,280 just stuff like that I mean yeah you 412 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:18,070 know or I'll see somebody wearing like a 413 00:18:23,010 --> 00:18:20,410 suit that's supposed to be a beetle and 414 00:18:24,540 --> 00:18:23,020 then it's not it's a human wearing a 415 00:18:26,670 --> 00:18:24,550 beetle suit and I've seen beetles 416 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:26,680 wearing human suits and oh my god I just 417 00:18:33,090 --> 00:18:27,490 seen it 418 00:18:35,730 --> 00:18:33,100 Wow really interesting so do you 419 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:35,740 remember the the setting of which that 420 00:18:41,220 --> 00:18:38,890 you saw this was this in a like a like a 421 00:18:44,970 --> 00:18:41,230 regular room or do you remember being on 422 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:44,980 the on a ship of some kind some kind it 423 00:18:49,380 --> 00:18:47,650 doesn't seem like I'm on a ship but but 424 00:18:52,140 --> 00:18:49,390 sometimes I'll see myself in the 425 00:18:56,460 --> 00:18:52,150 standard you know laying on some large 426 00:18:59,370 --> 00:18:56,470 bright aluminum table and then they'll 427 00:19:05,880 --> 00:18:59,380 have some sort of it'll kind of look 428 00:19:08,610 --> 00:19:05,890 like a big flat thing with like a like a 429 00:19:10,890 --> 00:19:08,620 coffee can like three coffee cans so 430 00:19:12,780 --> 00:19:10,900 that it kind of looks like you know kind 431 00:19:14,580 --> 00:19:12,790 of like some sort of nut probe but I 432 00:19:16,020 --> 00:19:14,590 don't know what it is I mean I'm not 433 00:19:18,300 --> 00:19:16,030 sure these some of these things you see 434 00:19:20,430 --> 00:19:18,310 you're like what how do I even describe 435 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:20,440 this and you end up you know drawing 436 00:19:25,740 --> 00:19:22,690 them and as best you can remember which 437 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:25,750 I'm not much of a drawer and so I'm 438 00:19:30,510 --> 00:19:27,730 trying to figure out what did I actually 439 00:19:32,310 --> 00:19:30,520 see I don't know and a lot of times when 440 00:19:35,220 --> 00:19:32,320 you're looking backwards into your 441 00:19:37,710 --> 00:19:35,230 dreams into your mind you see the gist 442 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:37,720 you don't see every aspect of the 443 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:40,210 situation you just see you know the 444 00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:42,610 important parts and so that way you can 445 00:19:46,970 --> 00:19:45,130 figure out where where where did I go 446 00:19:49,710 --> 00:19:46,980 what did I do 447 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:49,720 so a lot of times I am I'm in an 448 00:19:57,060 --> 00:19:53,050 operating room and there are people 449 00:19:58,590 --> 00:19:57,070 humans or others with their masks on 450 00:20:02,820 --> 00:19:58,600 because they don't want me to see who 451 00:20:04,260 --> 00:20:02,830 they are and and so they actually have 452 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:04,270 you know like surgery 453 00:20:09,930 --> 00:20:08,050 masks on Wow and other times they're 454 00:20:12,690 --> 00:20:09,940 just trying to get information out of me 455 00:20:14,549 --> 00:20:12,700 I had this one where I was in a water 456 00:20:16,140 --> 00:20:14,559 tank and they kept putting me in and 457 00:20:18,630 --> 00:20:16,150 then taking me out and then trying to 458 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:18,640 get me to tell them what I knew and what 459 00:20:21,390 --> 00:20:20,290 I didn't know and you know I don't even 460 00:20:23,730 --> 00:20:21,400 know what that was about 461 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:23,740 but there they were dunking me in this 462 00:20:28,140 --> 00:20:26,410 water change do you think you're a part 463 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:28,150 of maybe like some like the labs 464 00:20:34,860 --> 00:20:32,650 experiment you know I do I do actually 465 00:20:39,030 --> 00:20:34,870 because there were quite a few times 466 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:39,040 when I was I I would have quote-unquote 467 00:20:45,390 --> 00:20:42,610 dreams about people men with big hairy 468 00:20:48,510 --> 00:20:45,400 arms grabbing me and you know holding my 469 00:20:50,370 --> 00:20:48,520 arms down or you know giving me big 470 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:50,380 bruises on my legs where it was 471 00:20:54,299 --> 00:20:52,450 obviously you know a human hand other 472 00:20:59,010 --> 00:20:54,309 times it was four fingers and a thumb 473 00:21:02,220 --> 00:20:59,020 you know what I mean there were times 474 00:21:04,169 --> 00:21:02,230 and I tried to but in the beginning I 475 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:04,179 didn't take a lot of pictures because I 476 00:21:09,450 --> 00:21:06,250 would just sort of like being a 477 00:21:11,610 --> 00:21:09,460 detective in my own mind but then as I 478 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:11,620 realized I better start taking some of 479 00:21:15,690 --> 00:21:13,690 these pictures I did take some there are 480 00:21:19,590 --> 00:21:15,700 some of the book and some of them are 481 00:21:21,060 --> 00:21:19,600 really strange I mean they're just you 482 00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:21,070 know I have one that looks like a lie 483 00:21:26,970 --> 00:21:23,679 it's like what the hell I had one of my 484 00:21:28,919 --> 00:21:26,980 leg that looks like SP or JP and it 485 00:21:31,310 --> 00:21:28,929 actually looks like syringe marks or 486 00:21:35,130 --> 00:21:31,320 somebody physically went in and actually 487 00:21:39,030 --> 00:21:35,140 you know put those on my leg as like a 488 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:39,040 signature or a stamp or recently I had 489 00:21:42,930 --> 00:21:41,050 one and I know I could probably spend 490 00:21:49,260 --> 00:21:42,940 you a picture of it it's gone now but it 491 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:49,270 looked like it in it's so strange 492 00:21:55,140 --> 00:21:52,690 because it's it's it always makes me 493 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:55,150 think of like what's really going on you 494 00:21:59,370 --> 00:21:57,250 know because you have these experiences 495 00:22:01,140 --> 00:21:59,380 where you've got people who have like 496 00:22:03,390 --> 00:22:01,150 implants and things like that all over 497 00:22:06,090 --> 00:22:03,400 their body but there is not a mark on 498 00:22:08,669 --> 00:22:06,100 them right right you have on the other 499 00:22:10,620 --> 00:22:08,679 side where people are you know I mean 500 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:10,630 you could even say getting like tricked 501 00:22:16,350 --> 00:22:12,970 to like almost close to mutilation at 502 00:22:17,970 --> 00:22:16,360 some point and it's like which which one 503 00:22:21,299 --> 00:22:17,980 of these is doing 504 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:21,309 it's like more dirty work it seems like 505 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:23,490 and which ones are doing this clean work 506 00:22:29,220 --> 00:22:26,290 it's a it's a it's a real fine line that 507 00:22:32,100 --> 00:22:29,230 I seem to have and I'm I'm wondering 508 00:22:37,409 --> 00:22:32,110 because I don't even know if you know 509 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:37,419 the purely like et connection if maybe 510 00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:39,130 they're doing the clean work and maybe 511 00:22:44,909 --> 00:22:40,960 the ones that are working what humans 512 00:22:47,789 --> 00:22:44,919 are doing I agree with you because I've 513 00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:47,799 seen I've had a lot of weird bumps like 514 00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:50,559 fur in the beginning I realized that I 515 00:22:53,970 --> 00:22:52,840 had these weird syringe marks that's 516 00:22:56,100 --> 00:22:53,980 what I thought of them because they're a 517 00:22:58,830 --> 00:22:56,110 raised bump they would be under my eye 518 00:23:00,659 --> 00:22:58,840 or you know there would just be a raised 519 00:23:02,250 --> 00:23:00,669 bump and it looked like it had a hole in 520 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:02,260 the middle and it looked like a syringe 521 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:05,290 part and I was thinking to myself why 522 00:23:11,159 --> 00:23:09,010 would et's use a syringe and that's when 523 00:23:12,810 --> 00:23:11,169 I suddenly started realizing that a lot 524 00:23:14,730 --> 00:23:12,820 of times these marks to do look like 525 00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:14,740 syringe marks and it's probably people 526 00:23:19,799 --> 00:23:17,110 it's humans doing this to me and I don't 527 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:19,809 know why but yeah that's why I started 528 00:23:24,210 --> 00:23:21,490 thinking you know what I read about the 529 00:23:26,180 --> 00:23:24,220 MyLab thing and I was very interested in 530 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:26,190 it because there was quite a bit of time 531 00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:28,450 that I started realizing that when I 532 00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:31,360 woke up my mouth even though I brushed 533 00:23:42,990 --> 00:23:33,600 my teeth the night before I had plaque 534 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:43,000 so how would I have I must be eating or 535 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:46,330 drinking something and you know and then 536 00:23:50,909 --> 00:23:48,250 I would have clock when I woke up have 537 00:23:53,340 --> 00:23:50,919 you been able to contact anybody about 538 00:23:55,799 --> 00:23:53,350 your Malad experience or talk to anybody 539 00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:55,809 who has experience or knowledge in that 540 00:24:00,000 --> 00:23:58,450 area no and you know what that's part of 541 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:00,010 the problem I mean one of the reasons 542 00:24:03,030 --> 00:24:01,210 when I found these tools that were 543 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:03,040 really working for me and eliminating 544 00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:05,410 the ETS I was looking for people like me 545 00:24:10,380 --> 00:24:08,320 who had these experiences were unhappy 546 00:24:12,330 --> 00:24:10,390 about it and wanted to do something but 547 00:24:14,159 --> 00:24:12,340 I'll be darned it was so hard 548 00:24:16,409 --> 00:24:14,169 first of all you can't find anyone to 549 00:24:19,409 --> 00:24:16,419 admit that they were actually abductees 550 00:24:22,020 --> 00:24:19,419 but secondly to find a second group that 551 00:24:25,860 --> 00:24:22,030 says that they hate it and they wanted 552 00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:25,870 to stop is damn near impossible no 553 00:24:30,330 --> 00:24:28,000 that's why I had to write the book 554 00:24:31,769 --> 00:24:30,340 because I figured the only way to get to 555 00:24:34,409 --> 00:24:31,779 these people is to write a 556 00:24:36,869 --> 00:24:34,419 book and then talk to other people and 557 00:24:39,479 --> 00:24:36,879 see if I can get some momentum to help 558 00:24:42,719 --> 00:24:39,489 these other people like me yeah 559 00:24:45,749 --> 00:24:42,729 definitely yeah because I mean you know 560 00:24:49,049 --> 00:24:45,759 we got people like you know Melinda 561 00:24:50,729 --> 00:24:49,059 Leslie right who did like you know 30 562 00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:50,739 years of research in the middle app 563 00:24:56,729 --> 00:24:53,679 stuff and you know she's a friend of 564 00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:56,739 ours you know but it seems like to her 565 00:25:01,560 --> 00:24:59,440 it's like a goal of finding out like 566 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:01,570 kind of who's behind this nor all the 567 00:25:07,619 --> 00:25:04,690 players you know yeah these abduction 568 00:25:09,930 --> 00:25:07,629 experiences which still have come to 569 00:25:14,190 --> 00:25:09,940 terms with um and it does seem like 570 00:25:16,499 --> 00:25:14,200 maybe the ones that she his most 571 00:25:20,729 --> 00:25:16,509 bothered by seem to be these maybe like 572 00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:20,739 more military abductions to her you know 573 00:25:24,629 --> 00:25:23,049 and and you know she says that you know 574 00:25:27,749 --> 00:25:24,639 the reason that they're doing that is 575 00:25:29,489 --> 00:25:27,759 because you have this ability to contact 576 00:25:31,409 --> 00:25:29,499 the et in the first place 577 00:25:33,539 --> 00:25:31,419 you know they will about with you flown 578 00:25:35,820 --> 00:25:33,549 the ship or you've seen language or 579 00:25:38,129 --> 00:25:35,830 you've you know done this or that that's 580 00:25:40,379 --> 00:25:38,139 what they want to you know know and then 581 00:25:42,930 --> 00:25:40,389 you have people like our buddy Justin 582 00:25:44,190 --> 00:25:42,940 who is like stop calling them here 583 00:25:47,129 --> 00:25:44,200 they're not your friends 584 00:25:50,700 --> 00:25:47,139 trust me they're gonna kill us all 585 00:25:55,379 --> 00:25:53,369 I'm actually cherry Lovelace is another 586 00:25:57,299 --> 00:25:55,389 guy I actually wrote to him I read his 587 00:25:59,009 --> 00:25:57,309 book I wrote to him and said oh my gosh 588 00:26:01,889 --> 00:25:59,019 you're not alone I just want to tell you 589 00:26:08,399 --> 00:26:01,899 I found some tools and I said you write 590 00:26:10,739 --> 00:26:08,409 your baggage yeah exactly but I agree 591 00:26:13,049 --> 00:26:10,749 with your friend you know who is behind 592 00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:13,059 it and you know I mean I think it's just 593 00:26:17,789 --> 00:26:15,279 so asinine but it does sound like our 594 00:26:20,999 --> 00:26:17,799 government doesn't it to say okay you're 595 00:26:23,399 --> 00:26:21,009 being contacted by ETS your memory has 596 00:26:25,499 --> 00:26:23,409 been erased by you know technology this 597 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:25,509 is so far superior to ours but we'll 598 00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:28,330 beat you up and well you know II mean 599 00:26:33,719 --> 00:26:31,809 we'll try to extract information out of 600 00:26:36,450 --> 00:26:33,729 your brain and we'll be rough with you 601 00:26:41,940 --> 00:26:36,460 because you can't remember it anyway I 602 00:26:44,339 --> 00:26:41,950 mean yeah I don't think that's happening 603 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:44,349 to me anymore now because I'm just so 604 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:45,530 pissed off I've been try 605 00:26:49,930 --> 00:26:47,810 you'll eliminate them and I think also 606 00:26:52,930 --> 00:26:49,940 when I was writing my book it seemed 607 00:26:55,210 --> 00:26:52,940 like there was you know it just seems 608 00:26:57,580 --> 00:26:55,220 like their inner computers either AI or 609 00:26:59,940 --> 00:26:57,590 some other thing and so as soon as I 610 00:27:02,610 --> 00:26:59,950 wrote my book down and wrote down my 611 00:27:05,260 --> 00:27:02,620 inside my book is actually in my journal 612 00:27:06,190 --> 00:27:05,270 because my spirit cards made me put that 613 00:27:08,110 --> 00:27:06,200 in there 614 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:08,120 which I didn't want to do because I just 615 00:27:12,250 --> 00:27:09,530 thought it was kind of boring but then 616 00:27:14,620 --> 00:27:12,260 they convinced me that you know the 617 00:27:20,340 --> 00:27:14,630 abductees will want to know every stuff 618 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:20,350 you took you know yeah absolutely 619 00:27:25,420 --> 00:27:22,730 abductees have told me oh I really like 620 00:27:31,330 --> 00:27:25,430 that other people my husband got what is 621 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:31,340 this here it's so boring does your 622 00:27:37,540 --> 00:27:33,650 husband have any experiences like this 623 00:27:40,540 --> 00:27:37,550 at all or is it kind of your thing I 624 00:27:43,660 --> 00:27:40,550 think he does have experiences but you 625 00:27:45,820 --> 00:27:43,670 know he falls asleep immediately you 626 00:27:47,410 --> 00:27:45,830 know he has scientific explanations for 627 00:27:49,090 --> 00:27:47,420 every single thing and actually 628 00:27:52,930 --> 00:27:49,100 truthfully I've stopped talking to him 629 00:27:54,460 --> 00:27:52,940 about it you know it's like why should I 630 00:27:56,740 --> 00:27:54,470 beat my head up against the wall I mean 631 00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:56,750 I appreciate your fact that you have 632 00:28:01,810 --> 00:27:58,880 science-y explanations but that's not my 633 00:28:03,610 --> 00:28:01,820 experience and it's just frustrating but 634 00:28:05,980 --> 00:28:03,620 at the same time you know it's sort of 635 00:28:10,060 --> 00:28:05,990 like a break from it because when you 636 00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:10,070 are living in this situation you're in 637 00:28:13,450 --> 00:28:11,840 it all the time you're always thinking 638 00:28:14,650 --> 00:28:13,460 about it you know what I mean it's sort 639 00:28:17,980 --> 00:28:14,660 of like you're in your own little head 640 00:28:19,780 --> 00:28:17,990 and so the good thing is about you're my 641 00:28:21,220 --> 00:28:19,790 husband and people like them is that 642 00:28:25,420 --> 00:28:21,230 they kind of ground you and you're like 643 00:28:27,670 --> 00:28:25,430 okay with my husband and you know I 644 00:28:29,130 --> 00:28:27,680 didn't mean not be in this anymore 645 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:29,140 because I really need a break from that 646 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:31,970 yeah yeah well you definitely you know 647 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:35,330 science does seem to explain whatever 648 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:38,330 the action is that's happening but it 649 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:41,210 doesn't ever explain the experience you 650 00:28:45,670 --> 00:28:43,490 know right from the experience or 651 00:28:47,620 --> 00:28:45,680 themselves or like look I know we can 652 00:28:50,500 --> 00:28:47,630 come up with a million different reasons 653 00:28:52,570 --> 00:28:50,510 as to why something was in the sky or 654 00:28:54,910 --> 00:28:52,580 why I thought something but the 655 00:28:56,740 --> 00:28:54,920 experience that I had is completely 656 00:28:58,830 --> 00:28:56,750 different than me just seeing something 657 00:29:03,409 --> 00:28:58,840 in the sky or you know 658 00:29:10,049 --> 00:29:08,249 absolutely right yeah Wow so actually 659 00:29:11,940 --> 00:29:10,059 what reasons I thought that it was 660 00:29:14,730 --> 00:29:11,950 important to write this book even might 661 00:29:16,350 --> 00:29:14,740 you know even other people said well you 662 00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:16,360 don't have any proof you don't have any 663 00:29:21,899 --> 00:29:20,080 proof and I I don't and that's true and 664 00:29:24,419 --> 00:29:21,909 I and I said that in my book because the 665 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:24,429 thing is is that most people don't have 666 00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:27,610 proof and is that a reason to stop them 667 00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:30,399 from telling their experiences no just 668 00:29:33,749 --> 00:29:32,289 because we don't have you know black 669 00:29:36,330 --> 00:29:33,759 helicopters pictures of black 670 00:29:37,919 --> 00:29:36,340 helicopters or you know what I mean we 671 00:29:39,509 --> 00:29:37,929 don't have that maybe we just have some 672 00:29:41,299 --> 00:29:39,519 bruises on in our body but that's not a 673 00:29:44,299 --> 00:29:41,309 reason for us not to write our book 674 00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:44,309 right and talk about our experiences 675 00:29:49,950 --> 00:29:46,809 yeah because a lot with a lot of this 676 00:29:52,100 --> 00:29:49,960 stuff you're not gonna find a lot of the 677 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:52,110 times you know this stuff is very uh 678 00:29:57,899 --> 00:29:54,490 they're they're pretty good at what they 679 00:30:01,830 --> 00:29:57,909 do right leave marks and messy things 680 00:30:03,299 --> 00:30:01,840 behind but you know a lot of times 681 00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:03,309 you're not gonna find the proof and 682 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:05,289 that's just that just seems to be the 683 00:30:14,100 --> 00:30:09,730 ballgame right now you know few people 684 00:30:15,989 --> 00:30:14,110 out there who do have you know like this 685 00:30:18,509 --> 00:30:15,999 proof you know that are starting to get 686 00:30:20,249 --> 00:30:18,519 experiment experiments done on them and 687 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:20,259 there's people who are finally cutting 688 00:30:24,539 --> 00:30:22,450 metals out of their bodies and actually 689 00:30:27,629 --> 00:30:24,549 getting picture and video of this stuff 690 00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:27,639 and you know those people seem to be you 691 00:30:31,649 --> 00:30:29,919 know the far and few between but I think 692 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:31,659 enough of them are starting to become 693 00:30:36,180 --> 00:30:33,970 comfortable with what's happening and 694 00:30:38,129 --> 00:30:36,190 enough of them are starting to come out 695 00:30:41,249 --> 00:30:38,139 that you know it's really gonna help 696 00:30:43,049 --> 00:30:41,259 people in your situation who or maybe 697 00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:43,059 having a hard time getting this proof 698 00:30:48,299 --> 00:30:45,809 because it's not easy no right 699 00:30:50,519 --> 00:30:48,309 definitely not easy yeah and you know 700 00:30:53,369 --> 00:30:50,529 and I need to say it but I mean even 701 00:30:55,499 --> 00:30:53,379 though I don't think Terry is lucky he 702 00:30:58,259 --> 00:30:55,509 has you know that medal in his leg or a 703 00:31:01,320 --> 00:30:58,269 foot or whatever but in some ways he is 704 00:31:03,810 --> 00:31:01,330 because he has proved right know people 705 00:31:07,379 --> 00:31:03,820 like me do not have anything all we have 706 00:31:11,070 --> 00:31:07,389 are pictures of bruises and you know but 707 00:31:12,419 --> 00:31:11,080 nothing else so you know but that's not 708 00:31:14,940 --> 00:31:12,429 our fault and 709 00:31:16,529 --> 00:31:14,950 so that doesn't mean it didn't happen so 710 00:31:19,889 --> 00:31:16,539 I just wanted to encourage other people 711 00:31:21,930 --> 00:31:19,899 like me for having unusual experiences 712 00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:21,940 to report them to talk about them and 713 00:31:27,989 --> 00:31:25,809 not to be ridiculed or you know have it 714 00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:27,999 lacked like it's um taboo subject that 715 00:31:33,810 --> 00:31:29,710 we can't talk about you can't you know 716 00:31:35,249 --> 00:31:33,820 discuss oh man yeah you know that's 717 00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:35,259 that's really interesting how you're 718 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:37,360 talking about this in like kind of like 719 00:31:41,820 --> 00:31:40,330 dream form the other day I was talking 720 00:31:44,820 --> 00:31:41,830 to Eric Mitchell and he was talking 721 00:31:49,470 --> 00:31:44,830 about how he had a dream that he woke up 722 00:31:53,460 --> 00:31:49,480 and went outside and and saw this craft 723 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:53,470 and videotaping and then he woke up the 724 00:32:00,629 --> 00:31:55,690 next morning and he was gone his friend 725 00:32:02,820 --> 00:32:00,639 this was like check your camera and he 726 00:32:05,249 --> 00:32:02,830 checked his camera and turns out in the 727 00:32:07,470 --> 00:32:05,259 middle of the night he did wake up did 728 00:32:11,310 --> 00:32:07,480 film something and all you can see it's 729 00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:11,320 like this blue haze from what but for 730 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:13,840 some reason he had a dream that it 731 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:16,570 happened but he actually did it he kind 732 00:32:21,869 --> 00:32:19,210 of you know bangs sleepwalks and you 733 00:32:25,739 --> 00:32:21,879 know just just random things like that 734 00:32:27,930 --> 00:32:25,749 happened you know yeah it's crazy I mean 735 00:32:30,570 --> 00:32:27,940 so it it sounds like you have a lot of 736 00:32:32,460 --> 00:32:30,580 these kind of like dream encounters have 737 00:32:35,129 --> 00:32:32,470 you ever had like them or if you 738 00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:35,139 hands-on physical you feel like you've 739 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:38,049 had a more physical contact like it may 740 00:32:41,789 --> 00:32:39,970 be like Terry Lovelace poking his head 741 00:32:44,879 --> 00:32:41,799 out of a tent and seeing these grades 742 00:32:48,060 --> 00:32:44,889 you know or a ship or anything I 743 00:32:50,700 --> 00:32:48,070 actually do I mean the grasshopper and 744 00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:50,710 the praying mantis were not dreams they 745 00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:54,399 were actual and I've also well when I 746 00:33:01,529 --> 00:32:56,320 lay in my bed a lot of times I see 747 00:33:05,009 --> 00:33:01,539 things that are moving and so yeah I 748 00:33:07,950 --> 00:33:05,019 have found that I'm getting bolder now I 749 00:33:09,869 --> 00:33:07,960 actually start pointing at them now and 750 00:33:14,879 --> 00:33:09,879 I walk up and touch try to touch them 751 00:33:17,639 --> 00:33:14,889 now because you know I am sick of it I'm 752 00:33:20,009 --> 00:33:17,649 just done you know you want to come into 753 00:33:24,450 --> 00:33:20,019 my room come into my room but you know 754 00:33:26,190 --> 00:33:24,460 get out no yeah so uh without giving too 755 00:33:27,510 --> 00:33:26,200 much away in your book 756 00:33:29,610 --> 00:33:27,520 do you want to share with us kind of 757 00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:29,620 some of the things that you can do to 758 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:32,110 kind of ward off this from happening or 759 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:34,570 things that people can can look forward 760 00:33:38,580 --> 00:33:36,130 to reading in your book just kind of 761 00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:38,590 maybe some tips or pointers for our 762 00:33:45,660 --> 00:33:40,809 listeners if if if this kind of things 763 00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:45,670 is happening to them first of all read 764 00:33:49,799 --> 00:33:47,679 everything you can I mean read what 765 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:49,809 least Reavers book because a lot of 766 00:33:54,390 --> 00:33:51,730 things that they were encountered you 767 00:33:56,910 --> 00:33:54,400 might be encountering you know so things 768 00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:56,920 that you know he wrote communion and I 769 00:34:00,240 --> 00:33:58,210 read it I thought it was a really good 770 00:34:02,460 --> 00:34:00,250 book but there are just sometimes things 771 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:02,470 in there that you go oh my gosh oh I've 772 00:34:05,370 --> 00:34:04,690 seen that I've been through that you 773 00:34:08,669 --> 00:34:05,380 know what I mean 774 00:34:10,290 --> 00:34:08,679 it just rings a bell the mylabs book is 775 00:34:12,990 --> 00:34:10,300 really good you know that's why I 776 00:34:14,909 --> 00:34:13,000 suddenly realized oh my gosh I wake up 777 00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:14,919 with plaque and that explains it 778 00:34:19,710 --> 00:34:16,510 you know what I mean there's something 779 00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:19,720 going on and then there is truly 780 00:34:24,780 --> 00:34:21,369 something going on in the middle of the 781 00:34:26,070 --> 00:34:24,790 night that is really happening and just 782 00:34:27,540 --> 00:34:26,080 because I don't remember it doesn't mean 783 00:34:31,950 --> 00:34:27,550 it didn't happen but look I have plaque 784 00:34:33,540 --> 00:34:31,960 on my teeth I mean my school the tools I 785 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:33,550 found are really specific they are 786 00:34:37,710 --> 00:34:35,530 actually from Stuart Swerdlow 787 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:37,720 he wrote a couple of books he's from the 788 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:40,570 Montauk Project okay and I would 789 00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:43,090 probably read you know some of his stuff 790 00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:44,560 is a little bit out there for me but 791 00:34:48,570 --> 00:34:46,480 that's what happened was I actually got 792 00:34:51,090 --> 00:34:48,580 guided to some of his books by my spirit 793 00:34:53,550 --> 00:34:51,100 guides and that's how I found these I 794 00:34:56,340 --> 00:34:53,560 would never in a million years I found 795 00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:56,350 them otherwise so and I would do a lot 796 00:35:02,190 --> 00:34:58,720 of meditation because your spirit guides 797 00:35:06,210 --> 00:35:02,200 are there to help you and they will 798 00:35:08,490 --> 00:35:06,220 guide you to the right thing but you 799 00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:08,500 know one of the things that I had to 800 00:35:15,420 --> 00:35:11,680 learn myself was something called 801 00:35:17,099 --> 00:35:15,430 discernment when you know the medium 802 00:35:19,170 --> 00:35:17,109 that I went she was constantly talking 803 00:35:21,060 --> 00:35:19,180 about Cernan and feeling them and 804 00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:21,070 whether you could feel their intention 805 00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:22,510 and that kind of things since I couldn't 806 00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:24,880 see them well the problem is they can 807 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:28,960 you know mimic your emotions so you 808 00:35:33,930 --> 00:35:31,090 might feel nothing and that might be all 809 00:35:36,359 --> 00:35:33,940 they're allowing you to feel so don't 810 00:35:39,300 --> 00:35:36,369 beat yourself up if you don't feel their 811 00:35:40,050 --> 00:35:39,310 negativity sometimes you do but majority 812 00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:40,060 you 813 00:35:54,660 --> 00:35:52,960 I mean mm-hmm so I would just yeah I 814 00:35:56,610 --> 00:35:54,670 would do that but once you get the tools 815 00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:56,620 and I'm not trying to make a lot of 816 00:36:02,220 --> 00:35:58,000 money I'm just trying to disseminate 817 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:02,230 information use them all the time I mean 818 00:36:07,140 --> 00:36:04,450 all the time not just when you think 819 00:36:08,490 --> 00:36:07,150 you're being abducted but just all the 820 00:36:12,090 --> 00:36:08,500 time one of them is called the 821 00:36:14,430 --> 00:36:12,100 cancellation tool and it's to take out 822 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:14,440 all unnecessary negativity in your life 823 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:17,770 and when you start using that you're not 824 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:19,570 just getting rid of ETS you're getting 825 00:36:25,290 --> 00:36:23,170 rid of narcissus and you know people you 826 00:36:28,140 --> 00:36:25,300 don't need in your life people things 827 00:36:29,970 --> 00:36:28,150 and you know like you were saying 828 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:29,980 earlier frequencies sometimes their 829 00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:31,570 frequency is they're affecting your life 830 00:36:46,740 --> 00:36:34,480 in a negative way use the cancellation 831 00:37:05,580 --> 00:37:03,750 Oh something happened hey Jess it's mean 832 00:37:10,410 --> 00:37:05,590 a lot of different things 833 00:37:12,810 --> 00:37:10,420 I mean you sorry y'all sorry 834 00:37:16,980 --> 00:37:12,820 microphone and speaker went away I think 835 00:37:18,540 --> 00:37:16,990 Jess turn on the Bluetooth speaker so or 836 00:37:21,630 --> 00:37:18,550 her headphones or something I think 837 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:21,640 interfere sorry so I think I think if 838 00:37:30,300 --> 00:37:28,650 velocity again then the ETS themselves 839 00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:30,310 or do you think that maybe there's like 840 00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:32,800 some consolation on an interesting that 841 00:37:38,490 --> 00:37:36,000 you had like a connection with your 842 00:37:40,830 --> 00:37:38,500 because a lot of people will say that 843 00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:40,840 the Mantis is kind of a spirit guide to 844 00:37:48,839 --> 00:37:45,040 Dinn you do have any idea on what a 845 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:48,849 dispute gaiden could be well one of my 846 00:37:55,170 --> 00:37:50,770 spirit guides is also a mantis so 847 00:37:57,089 --> 00:37:55,180 interestingly but for me it's just 848 00:37:59,370 --> 00:37:57,099 somebody who it's sort of like that 849 00:38:02,460 --> 00:37:59,380 intuition when you know it's not like 850 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:02,470 your conscience but when you're driving 851 00:38:07,410 --> 00:38:04,810 and you suddenly feel like you have to 852 00:38:08,849 --> 00:38:07,420 go to the left on your way home it's 853 00:38:11,550 --> 00:38:08,859 there to the right which is your normal 854 00:38:14,670 --> 00:38:11,560 way back to me is like a spirit guide 855 00:38:17,940 --> 00:38:14,680 directing you right and so as you do 856 00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:17,950 more meditation and get more familiar 857 00:38:21,540 --> 00:38:19,839 you might ask your [\h__\h] you're 858 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:21,550 meditating you might ask your spirit 859 00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:23,890 guide well who are you can you tell me 860 00:38:29,010 --> 00:38:27,040 your name and then you can ask for you 861 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:29,020 know can you help me today you know 862 00:38:33,570 --> 00:38:30,970 they're not allowed to interfere in your 863 00:38:39,359 --> 00:38:33,580 lives until you ask them or give 864 00:38:41,339 --> 00:38:39,369 permission so they just want you to you 865 00:38:44,670 --> 00:38:41,349 know say please help me with this and 866 00:38:46,650 --> 00:38:44,680 they will they will help you so you know 867 00:38:48,510 --> 00:38:46,660 they're there I believe that they're 868 00:38:50,900 --> 00:38:48,520 there all the time a lot of times what I 869 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:50,910 see and you know we're all different is 870 00:38:58,109 --> 00:38:56,170 I'll be driving and I'll see a street 871 00:39:00,320 --> 00:38:58,119 sign of the street they want me to turn 872 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:00,330 on and then I'll turn there 873 00:39:06,060 --> 00:39:04,210 so in the past I have thought why do you 874 00:39:08,940 --> 00:39:06,070 want me to go this way I'm just gonna go 875 00:39:10,980 --> 00:39:08,950 the way I want to go and then I'll drive 876 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:10,990 down the road that I normally go and 877 00:39:15,210 --> 00:39:12,850 then there'll be some crazy driver that 878 00:39:17,250 --> 00:39:15,220 almost runs me out the road after that 879 00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:17,260 happened a couple of times I'm like see 880 00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:19,119 they're here to help me I'm just gonna 881 00:39:26,340 --> 00:39:23,920 do what they say you know so that's what 882 00:39:29,130 --> 00:39:26,350 I found every anytime I go against what 883 00:39:31,830 --> 00:39:29,140 they are trying to get me to do it's 884 00:39:33,690 --> 00:39:31,840 usually a bad thing so I just when I 885 00:39:35,609 --> 00:39:33,700 need help I ask for it this for this 886 00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:35,619 book they really wanted me to write this 887 00:39:40,770 --> 00:39:38,320 book and I would thought it was crazy 888 00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:40,780 and you know at first and what am I 889 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:42,910 gonna write about you know I I mean you 890 00:39:46,890 --> 00:39:44,650 know okay I found these tools but how am 891 00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:46,900 I going to do this and then they say 892 00:39:52,380 --> 00:39:48,609 well you could say this this and this 893 00:39:54,330 --> 00:39:52,390 oh okay so then I'd write that and say 894 00:39:57,359 --> 00:39:54,340 okay well I need some help with this do 895 00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:57,369 and then they would so a lot of times I 896 00:40:02,490 --> 00:40:00,640 just you know utilize them for helping 897 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:02,500 me do the things I wanted me to do what 898 00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:04,210 they wanted that book then I need some 899 00:40:08,490 --> 00:40:06,730 help you know I need some ideas I what 900 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:08,500 else could I tell them what else would 901 00:40:11,940 --> 00:40:10,450 help them and so that's how it got 902 00:40:13,380 --> 00:40:11,950 started where they're like you need to 903 00:40:15,060 --> 00:40:13,390 put your journal in the book right type 904 00:40:18,180 --> 00:40:15,070 you all your journal right this minute 905 00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:18,190 and so I spent a couple of days typing 906 00:40:22,650 --> 00:40:21,310 up my journal and then I don't know this 907 00:40:24,420 --> 00:40:22,660 doesn't seem right I don't think this 908 00:40:29,310 --> 00:40:24,430 should be in here oh yeah it does to be 909 00:40:31,050 --> 00:40:29,320 in there oh okay so and I said wait a 910 00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:31,060 couple of rounds and said I don't want 911 00:40:36,420 --> 00:40:34,000 to seem stupid or J it seemed good but 912 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:36,430 now it's horrible and you know they 913 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:39,130 insisted and so it's still there it's in 914 00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:40,890 there 915 00:40:50,310 --> 00:40:47,200 do you oh sorry go ahead yeah I was 916 00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:50,320 gonna ask so I talked to a few people 917 00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:53,760 that seem to think that they have I 918 00:40:58,910 --> 00:40:56,160 guess we can call them spirit guides but 919 00:41:01,740 --> 00:40:58,920 they see them as an also an 920 00:41:03,090 --> 00:41:01,750 extraterrestrial that is kind of the 921 00:41:06,090 --> 00:41:03,100 that is kind of guiding them in a 922 00:41:09,150 --> 00:41:06,100 positive way some calm like light beings 923 00:41:11,130 --> 00:41:09,160 some people call them like angels yeah 924 00:41:13,590 --> 00:41:11,140 we spoke to somebody at this conference 925 00:41:13,980 --> 00:41:13,600 that kind of did a reading on Joe and I 926 00:41:16,859 --> 00:41:13,990 and 927 00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:16,869 she said there's a protector mantis 928 00:41:21,620 --> 00:41:18,730 creature that was like standing behind 929 00:41:23,579 --> 00:41:21,630 me which I thought was kind of cool I 930 00:41:25,410 --> 00:41:23,589 think that was kind of a positive 931 00:41:26,579 --> 00:41:25,420 experience for me and I mean I don't 932 00:41:28,770 --> 00:41:26,589 know I don't know how much I want to 933 00:41:31,380 --> 00:41:28,780 give you know I don't know enough about 934 00:41:33,150 --> 00:41:31,390 this to to believe which way or the 935 00:41:34,890 --> 00:41:33,160 other but the thought that something's 936 00:41:37,710 --> 00:41:34,900 out there kind of protecting me is kind 937 00:41:40,050 --> 00:41:37,720 of a cool idea do you think that that 938 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:40,060 they could be in a Nietzsche origin or 939 00:41:44,670 --> 00:41:42,210 do you think it's more of a human 940 00:41:48,210 --> 00:41:44,680 protector I think I think there are a 941 00:41:51,150 --> 00:41:48,220 lot of cheese and you know I think 942 00:41:53,339 --> 00:41:51,160 sometimes the Angels I think they can be 943 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:53,349 you know whatever you think of them mess 944 00:41:57,599 --> 00:41:55,930 I mean if you'll hear people oh yeah 945 00:41:59,730 --> 00:41:57,609 Archangel Michael this is what he looks 946 00:42:01,710 --> 00:41:59,740 like he has blond hair and he wears blue 947 00:42:03,870 --> 00:42:01,720 shield and Lola and then you'll have 948 00:42:05,730 --> 00:42:03,880 somebody else say no no Archangel 949 00:42:08,370 --> 00:42:05,740 Michael doesn't have that is black hair 950 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:08,380 and blue eyes and you know so I think 951 00:42:13,710 --> 00:42:11,290 it's you know whatever you feel like 952 00:42:15,810 --> 00:42:13,720 your spirit guide looks like is who you 953 00:42:17,460 --> 00:42:15,820 know what I mean so if you if you think 954 00:42:20,430 --> 00:42:17,470 of them as an angel then they're an 955 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:20,440 angel I mean it doesn't matter it 956 00:42:25,620 --> 00:42:22,450 doesn't have if that's what you need for 957 00:42:26,420 --> 00:42:25,630 your spirit guide right lunch if you're 958 00:42:30,270 --> 00:42:26,430 good 959 00:42:32,609 --> 00:42:30,280 so I don't think my mind were all human 960 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:32,619 but I think they all acted human to me 961 00:42:37,950 --> 00:42:34,330 at first because they know I was scared 962 00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:37,960 and I didn't and they had already you 963 00:42:42,690 --> 00:42:40,480 know scared me with the oh yeah here you 964 00:42:43,980 --> 00:42:42,700 know here here's a bunch of ETS in the 965 00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:43,990 room and that's why you feel the 966 00:42:53,370 --> 00:42:46,510 negativity so didn't they didn't want to 967 00:43:00,290 --> 00:42:53,380 say oh by the way I'm also an ET yeah by 968 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:04,349 really really yeah there's just a lot of 969 00:43:08,460 --> 00:43:06,970 I think you know they're here to help 970 00:43:11,130 --> 00:43:08,470 you they don't want to scare you they 971 00:43:13,530 --> 00:43:11,140 want you to know the truth or if you 972 00:43:16,109 --> 00:43:13,540 want it so if you don't want the truth 973 00:43:18,510 --> 00:43:16,119 and you know you could use just use them 974 00:43:20,370 --> 00:43:18,520 to help you in your daily life if you 975 00:43:22,980 --> 00:43:20,380 want to know the truth if you're seeking 976 00:43:26,220 --> 00:43:22,990 the truth like I am and hopefully other 977 00:43:27,650 --> 00:43:26,230 people like are like me then they'll 978 00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:27,660 help you with that so they'll help you 979 00:43:33,799 --> 00:43:29,609 whatever it is you want them to help you 980 00:43:36,770 --> 00:43:33,809 with yeah right very cool so I was gonna 981 00:43:39,940 --> 00:43:36,780 say you know how many you know you 982 00:43:43,010 --> 00:43:39,950 you've had these negative experiences 983 00:43:46,579 --> 00:43:43,020 when I guess because your spirit guides 984 00:43:48,349 --> 00:43:46,589 as like a positive experience of this 985 00:43:49,819 --> 00:43:48,359 whole thing right because oh man was 986 00:43:53,660 --> 00:43:49,829 gonna ask have you had any positive 987 00:43:56,089 --> 00:43:53,670 encounters or have they mostly been 988 00:44:02,180 --> 00:43:56,099 negative other than your spirit guides I 989 00:44:04,460 --> 00:44:02,190 guess I'm not sure actually because I 990 00:44:06,529 --> 00:44:04,470 you know because maybe it's because I'm 991 00:44:10,549 --> 00:44:06,539 so focused on the negative ones and 992 00:44:12,829 --> 00:44:10,559 determining booze you know running the 993 00:44:16,010 --> 00:44:12,839 show and all that I haven't really been 994 00:44:20,539 --> 00:44:16,020 focused too much on the on the positive 995 00:44:22,789 --> 00:44:20,549 but I feel like my spirit guides do give 996 00:44:25,789 --> 00:44:22,799 me that positive input it's just that 997 00:44:29,329 --> 00:44:25,799 I'm not seeking them out as much as I am 998 00:44:30,890 --> 00:44:29,339 trying to discover who's you know who's 999 00:44:38,539 --> 00:44:30,900 behind my abductions 1000 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:38,549 so I question about have you ever kind 1001 00:44:43,220 --> 00:44:40,890 of came back from or looked back on an 1002 00:44:46,279 --> 00:44:43,230 experience and came out with like a 1003 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:46,289 moral or some kind of message from these 1004 00:44:51,500 --> 00:44:49,170 et have they you know given you some 1005 00:44:55,010 --> 00:44:51,510 kind of thing to take back with you like 1006 00:44:57,559 --> 00:44:55,020 hey do this or you guys should really 1007 00:45:00,170 --> 00:44:57,569 start meditating more and elevate your 1008 00:45:02,029 --> 00:45:00,180 your frequency so you guys can join us 1009 00:45:05,779 --> 00:45:02,039 in the Galactic force you know anything 1010 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:05,789 like that actually yes but not from 1011 00:45:12,589 --> 00:45:08,970 looking backwards at the et experiences 1012 00:45:14,690 --> 00:45:12,599 what I do get is in my book I say this 1013 00:45:16,819 --> 00:45:14,700 to and on my page I have pictures of my 1014 00:45:19,789 --> 00:45:16,829 pyramid I actually meditate in the 1015 00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,799 pyramid and the pyramid is sort of like 1016 00:45:24,620 --> 00:45:21,599 a funnel for meditation it's really 1017 00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:24,630 really cool and when you're in it you 1018 00:45:29,809 --> 00:45:27,359 know that's when you get a lot of 1019 00:45:34,039 --> 00:45:29,819 information from your spirit guides so 1020 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:34,049 if you want to like have you know an 1021 00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:36,690 experience is try meditating in a 1022 00:45:41,059 --> 00:45:38,730 pyramid you can either make your own I 1023 00:45:41,630 --> 00:45:41,069 have instructions in my book or you can 1024 00:45:43,870 --> 00:45:41,640 buy 1025 00:45:46,059 --> 00:45:43,880 online and you're just sitting them 1026 00:45:48,529 --> 00:45:46,069 pyramids if you look them up have 1027 00:45:51,140 --> 00:45:48,539 fascinating quality as they will do 1028 00:45:53,930 --> 00:45:51,150 healings they'll heal foot wat change 1029 00:45:56,180 --> 00:45:53,940 water in some way so it's healing 1030 00:46:00,140 --> 00:45:56,190 you can sit under them and heal you can 1031 00:46:01,940 --> 00:46:00,150 grow things under them so yes I a lot of 1032 00:46:04,430 --> 00:46:01,950 times they get tons of information that 1033 00:46:06,500 --> 00:46:04,440 I need in my daily life by sitting in 1034 00:46:08,750 --> 00:46:06,510 meditation so I highly recommend 1035 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:08,760 everyone meditate as much as possible 1036 00:46:12,500 --> 00:46:10,890 you know but you know life gets in the 1037 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:12,510 way and that kind of thing but yes so 1038 00:46:15,490 --> 00:46:14,010 that's where I have my most positive 1039 00:46:18,500 --> 00:46:15,500 experience it is when I'm meditating 1040 00:46:21,769 --> 00:46:18,510 right yeah our buddy 1041 00:46:26,059 --> 00:46:21,779 Peter Peter Benton you know the pizza 1042 00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,069 rings and and does like the pyramids you 1043 00:46:34,519 --> 00:46:28,400 know tensor coops and things like that 1044 00:46:41,089 --> 00:46:34,529 yeah yeah him and his fiancee her name 1045 00:46:49,789 --> 00:46:41,099 is Vivian Chabot oh she's a really nice 1046 00:46:52,579 --> 00:46:49,799 lady man she's super nice and I haven't 1047 00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:52,589 been to their house but yeah I have one 1048 00:46:57,650 --> 00:46:55,200 of the paintings that they make you know 1049 00:46:59,630 --> 00:46:57,660 her and Peter made so but yeah they're 1050 00:47:01,999 --> 00:46:59,640 super nice people so that's cool that 1051 00:47:05,180 --> 00:47:02,009 you've been to them for help yeah yeah 1052 00:47:07,609 --> 00:47:05,190 I've been to her times and got healings 1053 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:07,619 and she you know she has like some sort 1054 00:47:12,769 --> 00:47:10,650 of like bad or not bad but kind of like 1055 00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:12,779 a lounger bed that's underneath this 1056 00:47:17,420 --> 00:47:15,569 pyramid and it's really cool so do you 1057 00:47:18,140 --> 00:47:17,430 step into it you can feel it and it's 1058 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:18,150 pretty cool 1059 00:47:23,210 --> 00:47:20,130 and I she's the only person I've ever 1060 00:47:26,029 --> 00:47:23,220 met or heard of that also has a pyramid 1061 00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:26,039 mine's portable so I move it around but 1062 00:47:36,109 --> 00:47:29,910 hers is you know underneath her healing 1063 00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:36,119 bed so yeah we were telling them that 1064 00:47:40,579 --> 00:47:38,640 that they need to make a a tensor ring 1065 00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:40,589 but the size of like a house and just 1066 00:47:43,940 --> 00:47:42,720 put it around around the house or what 1067 00:47:45,470 --> 00:47:43,950 was it a doorway that we were talking 1068 00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:45,480 about they'll be kind of cool to have I 1069 00:47:52,700 --> 00:47:49,710 guess a doorway yeah yeah it would have 1070 00:47:55,700 --> 00:47:52,710 to be long yeah yeah otherwise it would 1071 00:47:57,930 --> 00:47:55,710 be like a portal and everywhere it 1072 00:48:03,750 --> 00:47:57,940 or then you have to just have like a 1073 00:48:07,290 --> 00:48:03,760 hobbit door you know yeah or what if 1074 00:48:09,770 --> 00:48:07,300 you're tall I mean I'm tall so it's hard 1075 00:48:12,270 --> 00:48:09,780 for me that they imagine you know 1076 00:48:16,050 --> 00:48:12,280 bending over to get into doorways and 1077 00:48:20,250 --> 00:48:18,630 well Lisa do you plan on taking your 1078 00:48:23,460 --> 00:48:20,260 book on the road do you have any plans 1079 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:23,470 on going to any get-togethers after all 1080 00:48:28,770 --> 00:48:25,210 this virus stuff is over is there is 1081 00:48:30,660 --> 00:48:28,780 there any plans to attend things yeah I 1082 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:30,670 would I would like to attend some last 1083 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:32,650 year I went to UFO Congress and it kind 1084 00:48:36,500 --> 00:48:33,970 of got my feet wet and that's where I 1085 00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:36,510 got to physically meet Jerry Lovelace 1086 00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:40,510 prior to that I just emailed him and you 1087 00:48:43,950 --> 00:48:41,920 know just kind of get a feel for the 1088 00:48:46,980 --> 00:48:43,960 place and since that's what near where I 1089 00:48:49,260 --> 00:48:46,990 live in Arizona but yeah I would like to 1090 00:48:52,310 --> 00:48:49,270 start getting on the circuit and you 1091 00:48:54,660 --> 00:48:52,320 know visiting and trying to you know 1092 00:48:56,580 --> 00:48:54,670 meet more people because I really do 1093 00:48:59,790 --> 00:48:56,590 want to meet my people and that's what 1094 00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:59,800 they're so hard to find you know it 1095 00:49:02,910 --> 00:49:01,119 seems like everyone has the good 1096 00:49:04,349 --> 00:49:02,920 experience well what about the bad 1097 00:49:06,660 --> 00:49:04,359 experience because there's always good 1098 00:49:08,970 --> 00:49:06,670 and bad but you can't seem to find those 1099 00:49:10,830 --> 00:49:08,980 people I mean even when I was at UFO 1100 00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:10,840 Congress people were coming up to the 1101 00:49:15,180 --> 00:49:13,510 meeting I was at Jerry's table and just 1102 00:49:16,980 --> 00:49:15,190 sitting there with them and they're like 1103 00:49:19,830 --> 00:49:16,990 oh I understand everything I feel so 1104 00:49:26,070 --> 00:49:19,840 good this is so awesome and that's like 1105 00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:26,080 well okay the people who were really mad 1106 00:49:30,359 --> 00:49:28,480 like me so yeah you didn't really enjoy 1107 00:49:34,170 --> 00:49:30,369 talking to our buddy Justin he was on 1108 00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:34,180 our podcast if there's a video also on 1109 00:49:37,859 --> 00:49:36,160 our YouTube channel it gets it gets a 1110 00:49:40,050 --> 00:49:37,869 lot of love from people there's a lot of 1111 00:49:43,130 --> 00:49:40,060 people that are definitely in that and 1112 00:49:45,690 --> 00:49:43,140 that's the frame of mind that like hey 1113 00:49:53,940 --> 00:49:45,700 no no more abductions just leave us 1114 00:49:55,410 --> 00:49:53,950 alone like this is not a good idea why I 1115 00:49:59,040 --> 00:49:55,420 don't think you I don't think he wanted 1116 00:50:01,650 --> 00:49:59,050 to share his last name yeah yeah but let 1117 00:50:05,630 --> 00:50:01,660 me uh it's on our is on our YouTube here 1118 00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:05,640 and let's see yeah if you go to UFO Khan 1119 00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:08,800 and Titan depth UFO Khan and then 1120 00:50:14,310 --> 00:50:11,890 Justin UFO garage we were UFO yeah a 1121 00:50:16,740 --> 00:50:14,320 couple months ago we're actually UFO 1122 00:50:20,690 --> 00:50:16,750 Congress 2 in September we're either in 1123 00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:20,700 September yeah must was our first 1124 00:50:29,330 --> 00:50:23,650 conference so we might we probably saw 1125 00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:29,340 you or even met yet I don't know yeah 1126 00:50:38,130 --> 00:50:33,040 probably yeah I saw your interview with 1127 00:50:41,730 --> 00:50:38,140 less than LS one of them I know he was 1128 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:41,740 your fungus maybe it was but that's how 1129 00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:43,450 I stopped find you guys because I was 1130 00:50:48,110 --> 00:50:45,490 like how can I get on odd cast because I 1131 00:50:52,250 --> 00:50:48,120 really need to spread my message and 1132 00:50:56,610 --> 00:50:52,260 then I sought out and I'm on the Opus 1133 00:50:58,800 --> 00:50:56,620 Opus network forum on the forum where 1134 00:51:01,770 --> 00:50:58,810 they're Google Groups and I actually 1135 00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:01,780 asked les if I could put my book on his 1136 00:51:07,950 --> 00:51:04,240 you know in his discussion group because 1137 00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:07,960 I'm trying to find people yeah he agreed 1138 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:10,570 so it was cool but I saw your interview 1139 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:12,010 with them I think you were sitting 1140 00:51:17,070 --> 00:51:13,930 around and came walking by and they just 1141 00:51:20,220 --> 00:51:17,080 sat behind you unlike the stage yeah 1142 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:20,230 yeah yeah that was that UFO con we had a 1143 00:51:25,290 --> 00:51:23,410 little a little booth there and we were 1144 00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:25,300 just kind of catching people people our 1145 00:51:29,550 --> 00:51:27,730 speakers and yeah lots of people there 1146 00:51:31,710 --> 00:51:29,560 that had great stories too we didn't get 1147 00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:31,720 on camera or a record but you had a lot 1148 00:51:36,690 --> 00:51:34,480 of really awesome conversations yeah 1149 00:51:38,910 --> 00:51:36,700 yeah we're really glad you reached out 1150 00:51:41,370 --> 00:51:38,920 to us cuz I mean yeah it's it we we love 1151 00:51:43,260 --> 00:51:41,380 talking about the the oh man wouldn't 1152 00:51:45,060 --> 00:51:43,270 mean it'd be cool to meet an alien and I 1153 00:51:46,500 --> 00:51:45,070 still think it'd be cool but we always I 1154 00:51:49,170 --> 00:51:46,510 think it's good to get that other 1155 00:51:51,810 --> 00:51:49,180 perspective and yeah it's not all 1156 00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:51,820 sunshine and rainbows is Joe likes to 1157 00:51:59,880 --> 00:51:58,090 say well make sure you if you see one 1158 00:52:02,580 --> 00:51:59,890 make sure you get up and touch on the 1159 00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:02,590 don't bees sitting there frozen and 1160 00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:05,050 fascination like the rest of us trying 1161 00:52:10,980 --> 00:52:08,770 yeah consumers do one for the team and 1162 00:52:13,410 --> 00:52:10,990 you know find out what you know what do 1163 00:52:15,900 --> 00:52:13,420 they feel like or do they seem like cuz 1164 00:52:18,270 --> 00:52:15,910 you know we all want to know yeah that's 1165 00:52:20,010 --> 00:52:18,280 seems like the hard part right right 1166 00:52:22,770 --> 00:52:20,020 used to be the hard part 1167 00:52:25,290 --> 00:52:22,780 I mean so I mean 1168 00:52:28,349 --> 00:52:25,300 do you know like you feel like you might 1169 00:52:32,700 --> 00:52:28,359 have an answer as so what it is they 1170 00:52:34,410 --> 00:52:32,710 want with you you know like what are 1171 00:52:36,570 --> 00:52:34,420 they what do they want from you you know 1172 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:36,580 what I'm saying some people a lot of 1173 00:52:41,609 --> 00:52:39,010 people don't know you know it's just as 1174 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:41,619 big of a mystery as the whole story but 1175 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:43,210 some people feel like if they haven't 1176 00:52:50,220 --> 00:52:45,970 understanding us why is it they messed 1177 00:52:52,410 --> 00:52:50,230 with in so I was kind of curious I 1178 00:52:54,900 --> 00:52:52,420 truthfully think and this is gonna sound 1179 00:52:58,080 --> 00:52:54,910 really negative but I truthfully think 1180 00:53:00,780 --> 00:52:58,090 that they enjoy hurting us and they get 1181 00:53:09,930 --> 00:53:00,790 off on it that's my my feeling there 1182 00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:09,940 enough you know I wrote the book and you 1183 00:53:15,300 --> 00:53:12,640 know a 58 year old woman what pack could 1184 00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:15,310 you possibly get out of you know taking 1185 00:53:18,510 --> 00:53:16,690 me every single night I mean I don't 1186 00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:18,520 have bags anymore you know what I mean 1187 00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:24,730 yeah that's what it does you hear a lot 1188 00:53:31,079 --> 00:53:26,770 of like the love and light side of it 1189 00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:31,089 you know but yeah that you run into 1190 00:53:36,780 --> 00:53:33,250 somebody that's like I just think they 1191 00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:36,790 like it you know yeah even though if 1192 00:53:40,849 --> 00:53:39,280 that's like the short explanation it's 1193 00:53:43,650 --> 00:53:40,859 almost like one of the better 1194 00:53:47,609 --> 00:53:43,660 explanations to the whole thing yeah 1195 00:53:51,690 --> 00:53:47,619 many theories but very rarely is it they 1196 00:53:53,609 --> 00:53:51,700 just like to do it or you know yeah yeah 1197 00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:53,619 yeah I just think they enjoy it they 1198 00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:56,530 enjoy scaring us um you know I mean I 1199 00:54:01,650 --> 00:53:58,480 think like Annette's you like Monsters 1200 00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:01,660 Inc with fuel alright so you know what's 1201 00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:04,450 better scared or laughter I mean you 1202 00:54:08,820 --> 00:54:05,920 know in the end the moral of that is 1203 00:54:11,460 --> 00:54:08,830 laughter right but really that's what 1204 00:54:14,310 --> 00:54:11,470 you know that they enjoy it they enjoy 1205 00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:14,320 the fear the terror you know everything 1206 00:54:17,730 --> 00:54:16,240 so that's what I think they get out of 1207 00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:17,740 it and that's why I think they continue 1208 00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:20,770 to do it to us over and over and over 1209 00:54:24,210 --> 00:54:22,570 because you know we can't row number it 1210 00:54:27,089 --> 00:54:24,220 and the next night we go to sleep and 1211 00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:27,099 then there we are again it's never 1212 00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:30,609 ending so you know I've heard I've heard 1213 00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:36,160 theories on how every every race in 1214 00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:39,930 universe has a time line right yeah 1215 00:54:46,410 --> 00:54:43,210 racist time line you know they're not 1216 00:54:51,230 --> 00:54:46,420 always good there grab and then they're 1217 00:54:54,599 --> 00:54:51,240 bad and a different part of and how we 1218 00:54:56,819 --> 00:54:54,609 perceive things or like maybe we called 1219 00:55:00,900 --> 00:54:56,829 to these things but we're calling to the 1220 00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:00,910 wrong time line and we write maybe some 1221 00:55:08,990 --> 00:55:04,210 of us just do it wrong on accident and 1222 00:55:18,599 --> 00:55:12,930 yeah all right no you disappeared for a 1223 00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:18,609 second realize I might since they had my 1224 00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:21,730 camera sideways I was always off looking 1225 00:55:24,750 --> 00:55:23,680 off into the distance instead of looking 1226 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:24,760 at you so sorry 1227 00:55:29,789 --> 00:55:27,010 oh I think it's gonna work out because I 1228 00:55:31,020 --> 00:55:29,799 think I'm gonna put the two videos next 1229 00:55:37,370 --> 00:55:31,030 to each other so it's almost like we're 1230 00:55:39,359 --> 00:55:37,380 gonna be looking at each other yeah 1231 00:55:42,089 --> 00:55:39,369 we'll put Joe in the middle cuz he's 1232 00:55:51,050 --> 00:55:42,099 looking straight at the camera we're 1233 00:55:51,060 --> 00:55:57,920 [Laughter] 1234 00:56:04,260 --> 00:56:02,760 well I I I'm super fascinated in your 1235 00:56:07,890 --> 00:56:04,270 stories there is there anything that 1236 00:56:09,930 --> 00:56:07,900 you'd like to kind of I guess put out 1237 00:56:11,450 --> 00:56:09,940 there for for people that are that are 1238 00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:11,460 maybe going through these experiences 1239 00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:21,960 let's see is there anything else I want 1240 00:56:27,359 --> 00:56:23,680 to put out there I don't know I'm trying 1241 00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:27,369 to think what did I leave out attack to 1242 00:56:30,150 --> 00:56:29,170 you anywhere I know you have a Facebook 1243 00:56:32,490 --> 00:56:30,160 yeah 1244 00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:32,500 I have a Facebook page abducted and 1245 00:56:37,500 --> 00:56:35,650 furious and they can get on that I'm 1246 00:56:39,059 --> 00:56:37,510 still working and struggling with 1247 00:56:41,460 --> 00:56:39,069 Facebook Ads 1248 00:56:45,630 --> 00:56:41,470 maybe I shouldn't say that but oh my god 1249 00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:45,640 I'm so frustrated and I also have a 1250 00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:49,680 website lease O'Hara online 1251 00:56:57,240 --> 00:56:52,960 I'm still working on that also so I'm 1252 00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:57,250 still a little bit new to this and so I 1253 00:57:02,850 --> 00:56:59,920 hope to eventually get on different 1254 00:57:05,220 --> 00:57:02,860 podcasts and then you can reach me at my 1255 00:57:09,210 --> 00:57:05,230 email address which is in my book 1256 00:57:10,859 --> 00:57:09,220 Elle O'Hara at protonmail comm if you 1257 00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:10,869 have experienced this or just want to 1258 00:57:14,609 --> 00:57:13,090 reach out just someone else or if you 1259 00:57:20,100 --> 00:57:14,619 have questions about my book once you've 1260 00:57:22,410 --> 00:57:20,110 read it so awesome ok what was the other 1261 00:57:24,900 --> 00:57:22,420 question I mean yeah it's just anything 1262 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:24,910 you wanted to add Joe do you have any 1263 00:57:29,460 --> 00:57:27,010 other questions are you curious about 1264 00:57:31,859 --> 00:57:29,470 anything or either how are all the ways 1265 00:57:34,410 --> 00:57:31,869 that people can get the book oh yeah oh 1266 00:57:37,590 --> 00:57:34,420 it's on amazon exclusively being a new 1267 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:37,600 author you know I just decided to put on 1268 00:57:44,790 --> 00:57:41,770 Amazon only it's an e-book it's 399 for 1269 00:57:48,810 --> 00:57:44,800 the Amazon Kindle book it's free it's 1270 00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:48,820 free on Kindle unlimited and then I have 1271 00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:50,770 a paperback book also and I don't know 1272 00:57:54,599 --> 00:57:52,210 if you guys know this but I didn't 1273 00:57:59,460 --> 00:57:54,609 Amazon is print-on-demand 1274 00:58:01,910 --> 00:57:59,470 oh wow that's really cool yeah yeah I 1275 00:58:04,170 --> 00:58:01,920 didn't know that that's pretty awesome 1276 00:58:05,970 --> 00:58:04,180 yeah so they don't have a warehouse full 1277 00:58:08,190 --> 00:58:05,980 of books like they used to right they 1278 00:58:09,359 --> 00:58:08,200 just print on demand so they publish and 1279 00:58:12,210 --> 00:58:09,369 then they print on demand 1280 00:58:14,550 --> 00:58:12,220 oh so that's one of the frustrations 1281 00:58:16,109 --> 00:58:14,560 though right now so it looks like your 1282 00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:16,119 book is coming on the 19th 1283 00:58:25,830 --> 00:58:23,650 not on the 27th but because that means 1284 00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:25,840 that's because I sent a couple of other 1285 00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:27,490 ones out and they're all getting there 1286 00:58:32,580 --> 00:58:28,240 on the 19th 1287 00:58:34,410 --> 00:58:32,590 Wow 8 p.m. so well I tell you it's not 1288 00:58:37,290 --> 00:58:34,420 going to be long before this type of 1289 00:58:39,180 --> 00:58:37,300 information is essential because I feel 1290 00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:39,190 like more and more people are starting 1291 00:58:45,359 --> 00:58:42,010 to come around and they definitely want 1292 00:58:47,340 --> 00:58:45,369 the information I mean we've had people 1293 00:58:49,290 --> 00:58:47,350 tell us well you hopped into the game at 1294 00:58:52,140 --> 00:58:49,300 the right point there's so many things 1295 00:58:55,290 --> 00:58:52,150 happening right now in the community and 1296 00:58:56,460 --> 00:58:55,300 it's really kind of you know I don't 1297 00:58:58,590 --> 00:58:56,470 know people who are just starting to 1298 00:59:00,930 --> 00:58:58,600 kind of wake up I feel like I don't know 1299 00:59:02,490 --> 00:59:00,940 if that sounds cliche but well I agree 1300 00:59:06,420 --> 00:59:02,500 that's what it seems 1301 00:59:08,250 --> 00:59:06,430 like you know to us so I think this is 1302 00:59:10,140 --> 00:59:08,260 the perfect time for you to put out your 1303 00:59:11,970 --> 00:59:10,150 book and try and get your information 1304 00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:11,980 out there you know the more people that 1305 00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:13,930 read it the more people can you know 1306 00:59:18,570 --> 00:59:17,170 cross-check it and you know really help 1307 00:59:20,820 --> 00:59:18,580 you know help each other get some 1308 00:59:22,710 --> 00:59:20,830 answers because this happens to a lot of 1309 00:59:25,170 --> 00:59:22,720 people and you're right a lot of people 1310 00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:25,180 don't want to talk about it or don't 1311 00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:27,130 even know how to talk about it so it's 1312 00:59:33,690 --> 00:59:30,250 good to be able to relate and find 1313 00:59:36,050 --> 00:59:33,700 material to help them so yeah and I 1314 00:59:38,610 --> 00:59:36,060 think that's really important because I 1315 00:59:41,100 --> 00:59:38,620 wish more people would talk about it I 1316 00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:41,110 mean but it is hard because here I wrote 1317 00:59:44,670 --> 00:59:43,090 this book and then I realized I told 1318 00:59:47,940 --> 00:59:44,680 everybody everything about me that I 1319 00:59:51,690 --> 00:59:47,950 never told talk about and now everybody 1320 00:59:53,820 --> 00:59:51,700 knows that a you know I I'm a psychic 1321 00:59:57,150 --> 00:59:53,830 medium but I'm I'm not a practicing 1322 00:59:58,440 --> 00:59:57,160 psychic medium and to you know that I'm 1323 01:00:00,690 --> 00:59:58,450 an abductee you know it's interesting 1324 01:00:03,300 --> 01:00:00,700 when people hear that they want to talk 1325 01:00:07,740 --> 01:00:03,310 about the medium part but nobody wants 1326 01:00:11,340 --> 01:00:07,750 to talk about the abductee from it and I 1327 01:00:13,830 --> 01:00:11,350 find myself to saying to myself do I 1328 01:00:16,470 --> 01:00:13,840 want to mention that I wrote this book 1329 01:00:18,210 --> 01:00:16,480 because if I do then I have to talk 1330 01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:18,220 about it and it is really hard because 1331 01:00:23,100 --> 01:00:20,410 now you're talking about things that 1332 01:00:25,350 --> 01:00:23,110 you've hid from people and because I 1333 01:00:28,140 --> 01:00:25,360 wrote a book I have to talk about it and 1334 01:00:30,300 --> 01:00:28,150 so you know it's but it is hard it is is 1335 01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:30,310 this difficult I mean I can done not 1336 01:00:34,380 --> 01:00:32,050 completely I mean I feel like I can 1337 01:00:37,260 --> 01:00:34,390 understand anyone who has to say to some 1338 01:00:39,090 --> 01:00:37,270 someone I'm not who you thought I was or 1339 01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:39,100 I'm not you know what I mean I've had 1340 01:00:43,770 --> 01:00:41,890 things happen it's just so hard to admit 1341 01:00:47,220 --> 01:00:43,780 it and then have to talk about it so 1342 01:00:49,650 --> 01:00:47,230 yeah I mean you're you're extremely 1343 01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:49,660 brave for for doing this I mean people 1344 01:00:54,810 --> 01:00:52,570 that I feel like it's kind of like a 1345 01:00:56,460 --> 01:00:54,820 mission you know you have to get this 1346 01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:56,470 information out there whether or not it 1347 01:00:59,490 --> 01:00:58,240 hurts your relationships with friends or 1348 01:01:00,120 --> 01:00:59,500 maybe they'll change their mind about 1349 01:01:02,700 --> 01:01:00,130 you 1350 01:01:03,870 --> 01:01:02,710 I mean yeah it's a very extremely brave 1351 01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:03,880 thing that you're doing I really 1352 01:01:09,450 --> 01:01:07,210 appreciate your work and yeah your 1353 01:01:14,610 --> 01:01:09,460 message so I applaud you for that 1354 01:01:16,410 --> 01:01:14,620 absolutely and thank you so much for 1355 01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:16,420 reaching out to us this 1356 01:01:22,170 --> 01:01:18,960 absolutely enjoyed chatting with you 1357 01:01:26,370 --> 01:01:22,180 yeah and yeah is there any anything else 1358 01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:26,380 Joe or Yomi no I think I'm good but you 1359 01:01:31,739 --> 01:01:28,690 know I'm sure you know a few people will 1360 01:01:34,349 --> 01:01:31,749 probably hear this podcast and uh you 1361 01:01:36,630 --> 01:01:34,359 know we have some other podcast people 1362 01:01:39,390 --> 01:01:36,640 that are you know listen listen listen 1363 01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:39,400 in on the show so you know you might be 1364 01:01:42,900 --> 01:01:41,410 getting uh some feelers out I mean this 1365 01:01:45,690 --> 01:01:42,910 isn't how it goes you know you reach out 1366 01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:45,700 to one podcast in three more hit you 1367 01:01:53,099 --> 01:01:49,359 right so yeah I think you'll be on a 1368 01:01:54,900 --> 01:01:53,109 roll before you know it well - and I 1369 01:01:57,269 --> 01:01:54,910 thought you sounded so cool I wanted to 1370 01:01:59,999 --> 01:01:57,279 be on your podcast and I'm so what's so 1371 01:02:04,109 --> 01:02:00,009 excited when I when you told me that you 1372 01:02:06,539 --> 01:02:04,119 wanted me so I'm I'm still excited to be 1373 01:02:10,799 --> 01:02:06,549 here and I appreciate it so much 1374 01:02:13,319 --> 01:02:10,809 thank you we we do it because of people 1375 01:02:16,650 --> 01:02:13,329 like you you know I feel like it's 1376 01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:16,660 important to get your story out and let 1377 01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:18,730 the people figure out whether or not 1378 01:02:24,569 --> 01:02:22,450 they believe it right yeah our job is 1379 01:02:26,930 --> 01:02:24,579 just to help people who have stuff to 1380 01:02:29,220 --> 01:02:26,940 say and we think that's important so 1381 01:02:31,220 --> 01:02:29,230 yeah thank you thank you very much for 1382 01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:31,230 coming on the show thank you so much 1383 01:02:37,019 --> 01:02:35,200 thank you all right well hey we'll be in 1384 01:02:38,819 --> 01:02:37,029 touch and yeah we'd love to have you 1385 01:02:41,249 --> 01:02:38,829 back on and in a you know in a couple 1386 01:02:43,380 --> 01:02:41,259 months just we might reach it if you 1387 01:02:45,660 --> 01:02:43,390 want to come back and kind of catch up 1388 01:02:48,359 --> 01:02:45,670 with us in a couple months we'll hit you 1389 01:02:50,789 --> 01:02:48,369 up or email you know us if you're 1390 01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:50,799 itching if you remember anything else or 1391 01:02:54,420 --> 01:02:52,450 have a new experience that you want to 1392 01:02:56,849 --> 01:02:54,430 share with us please feel free to email 1393 01:02:58,859 --> 01:02:56,859 at us at any time all right make sure 1394 01:03:01,640 --> 01:02:58,869 when you read my book then you have me 1395 01:03:04,259 --> 01:03:01,650 back and then you act and ask me yes 1396 01:03:06,210 --> 01:03:04,269 yeah that was kind of a thing up man I 1397 01:03:08,549 --> 01:03:06,220 wish we had some more material to go off 1398 01:03:10,319 --> 01:03:08,559 to ask you specific questions so we'll 1399 01:03:14,239 --> 01:03:10,329 have to have you back on to ask you 1400 01:03:20,999 --> 01:03:18,150 awesome so thank you so much oh thank 1401 01:03:21,900 --> 01:03:21,009 you thank you you have a good night okay 1402 01:03:31,380 --> 01:03:21,910 you too all right 1403 01:03:37,539 --> 01:03:31,390 [Music] 1404 01:03:38,380 --> 01:03:37,549 whoa that was pretty cool huh that was 1405 01:03:41,319 --> 01:03:38,390 dope 1406 01:03:44,979 --> 01:03:41,329 I was that was pretty interesting yeah 1407 01:03:47,229 --> 01:03:44,989 yeah I hope I hope she's able to find 1408 01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:47,239 some more people to kind of be around 1409 01:03:52,660 --> 01:03:50,089 that are into the same stuff and maybe 1410 01:03:53,859 --> 01:03:52,670 kind of share the same feelings yeah 1411 01:03:58,120 --> 01:03:53,869 maybe she'll go check out our episode 1412 01:03:58,989 --> 01:03:58,130 with Justin yeah yeah yeah man I have so 1413 01:04:00,880 --> 01:03:58,999 many more 1414 01:04:02,769 --> 01:04:00,890 I don't know as I'm like thinking of it 1415 01:04:04,420 --> 01:04:02,779 I wish I would have I don't know 1416 01:04:06,849 --> 01:04:04,430 not maybe wish I would have but I want 1417 01:04:09,549 --> 01:04:06,859 to dig more into like the physical what 1418 01:04:11,679 --> 01:04:09,559 do they look like I want to know I would 1419 01:04:14,019 --> 01:04:11,689 I want somebody that's been abducted to 1420 01:04:16,839 --> 01:04:14,029 be a really good illustrator so we could 1421 01:04:19,299 --> 01:04:16,849 see it for ourselves you know yeah cuz 1422 01:04:23,079 --> 01:04:19,309 that cuz that grasshopper lookin being I 1423 01:04:25,059 --> 01:04:23,089 mean and the mantis one man I want it I 1424 01:04:28,709 --> 01:04:25,069 want to see it I see it in my mind but 1425 01:04:33,069 --> 01:04:28,719 just sounds really creepy 1426 01:04:35,099 --> 01:04:33,079 yeah and it definitely does but yeah 1427 01:04:38,709 --> 01:04:35,109 guys so y'all go check out her book 1428 01:04:40,179 --> 01:04:38,719 check our website she's got Facebook so 1429 01:04:44,769 --> 01:04:40,189 make sure you go check her out on 1430 01:04:46,959 --> 01:04:44,779 Facebook show some love and yeah that's 1431 01:04:50,799 --> 01:04:46,969 about it for me do you got anything else 1432 01:04:53,559 --> 01:04:50,809 to say nah man go to UFO garage PC comm 1433 01:04:55,150 --> 01:04:53,569 and pick up a shirt that'd be cool if 1434 01:04:57,189 --> 01:04:55,160 you guys did that if you guys are like 1435 01:04:59,769 --> 01:04:57,199 in the show want to support us go check 1436 01:05:02,380 --> 01:04:59,779 out a shirt we have all kinds stuff with 1437 01:05:04,209 --> 01:05:02,390 our logo on it stuff with we have a 1438 01:05:07,029 --> 01:05:04,219 shirt with cinnamon Terry on it if you 1439 01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:07,039 don't know who that is yeah bongo player 1440 01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:09,049 he's that bongo player down on six tree 1441 01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:12,410 so uh you could you could you shouldn't 1442 01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:27,170 you should go check out the shirt this 1443 01:05:37,780 --> 01:05:36,290 is really couldn't syncopating that this 1444 01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:37,790 this has been another episode of UFO 1445 01:05:42,850 --> 01:05:40,490 garage this has been another episode 1446 01:05:45,610 --> 01:05:42,860 this has been right this was yeah yeah 1447 01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:45,620 this has been nice okay all right 1448 01:05:50,260 --> 01:05:49,130 all right I'm ready for this thing to be 1449 01:05:55,330 --> 01:05:50,270 over to you I want you back in the 1450 01:05:57,010 --> 01:05:55,340 studio man I know me too me too well so 1451 01:06:00,040 --> 01:05:57,020 this wasn't another episode of UFO 1452 01:06:03,070 --> 01:06:00,050 garage we're continuing just a little 1453 01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:03,080 bit we're gonna be on revolution radio 1454 01:06:10,780 --> 01:06:07,850 Oh effective on Monday so you guys you 1455 01:06:12,610 --> 01:06:10,790 know go uh go check that out we talked 1456 01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:12,620 into our friend Laurie say the show 1457 01:06:17,050 --> 01:06:14,570 showed the show name again I talked over 1458 01:06:19,900 --> 01:06:17,060 you distinctive perspectives 1459 01:06:21,310 --> 01:06:19,910 nice yeah so we're gonna be out a radio 1460 01:06:24,790 --> 01:06:21,320 show for two hours doing what are we 1461 01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:24,800 gonna say I don't no idea I have no idea 1462 01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:28,010 yeah and but like we're the ones being 1463 01:06:33,490 --> 01:06:30,640 interviewed yeah yeah I don't I mean I 1464 01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:33,500 don't know what we're gonna say I mean I 1465 01:06:41,050 --> 01:06:37,730 could talk about our UFO stuff that 1466 01:06:49,030 --> 01:06:41,060 we've seen there I don't know oh yeah we 1467 01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:49,040 get to be those people this yeah yeah we 1468 01:06:53,950 --> 01:06:50,770 could talk about our UFO experiences 1469 01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:53,960 nice and you know Sedona and all that 1470 01:06:57,580 --> 01:06:55,760 our listeners have probably already 1471 01:07:01,390 --> 01:06:57,590 heard all that stuff so it's probably 1472 01:07:08,860 --> 01:07:01,400 good oh nice dude hell yeah yeah yeah